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Welcome to the reunion
from the ninth season!
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{\an8}Although we always love you
for who they are inside,
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{\an8}tonight we are happy
to show our exterior.
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To help us get started
for a memorable evening...
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Welcome
to the multi-platinum artist…
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Myles Smith!
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{\an8}Myles! Miles! Miles!
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Alone in this crowd
I sit alone...
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Megan!
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One more drink
Before You Go Home
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Home
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Jordan!
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And I feel the night slipping away from me
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Get away from me
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And she caught my attention
Through the Light
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So you came to me
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There!
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She said: "Hi, nice to meet you"
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Tonight we could go dancing
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Come on...
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Anthony!
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She said: "Life doesn't last forever"
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"One song, here together"
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"Let's play it over and over again"
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We could dance
We could dance all night
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She took my hand
And guided me through the darkness
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KB!
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She said: "Feel the beat"
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"Forget this broken heart"
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Edmund!
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And I feel the night slipping away from me
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Get away from me
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Joe!
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And I saw the light in her eyes
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Because she came to me
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She said: "Hi, nice to meet you"
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"Tonight maybe we could
Go dance, come on"
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Madison!
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She said: "Life doesn't last forever"
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"One song, here together"
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"Let's play it over and over again"
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We could dance
We could dance all night
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We could dance until dawn
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Let's forget our worries
And the Mad World Outside
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She said...
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Nick!
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"Tonight maybe we could
Go dance, come on"
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We could dance
We could dance all night
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We could dance all night
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Annie!
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She said: "Hi, nice to meet you"
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"Tonight maybe we could
Go dance, come on"
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She said: "Life doesn't last forever"
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"One song, here together"
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"Let's play it over and over again"
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We could dance
We could dance all night
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Very good! Thank you so much, Myles Smith!
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{\an8}THE RETURN
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- Hello!
- Yes!
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Hello!
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Welcome your favorites
from the ninth season of Love Is Blind,
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Denver, Colorado!
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{\an8}Welcome. I'm Nick Lachey.
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{\an8}And I'm Vanessa Lachey.
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Welcome everyone to the stage,
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We want to catch up.
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{\an8}Megan, we know you like numbers.
We think you will be satisfied with it.
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{\an8}The reunion for season nine
means it will be full of surprises,
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of startling revelations,
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and maybe, if you're lucky,
a chicken smoothie.
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{\an8}- I can't wait.
- I'm just saying.
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- Us too.
- Hi, Megan.
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- Hello.
- And Jordan, how are you?
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Shall we get straight to the point?
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- Yes!
- Let's get to the point!
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That's why they're here!
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At the bachelorette party,
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Megan's friends talked a lot
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on the issue of compromises
your lifestyle.
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I think they said:
"The best things in life."
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Would she compromise on this?
if i stayed with you?
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Now that you've had some time,
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which was in the end
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the reason why Megan
Is it all over with you?
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She came, we can ask her.
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Yes, I think a lot
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was the fact that our lifestyle
be very different.
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And part of me wishes I had given it to him
a little more...
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Or has given Jordan more goodwill
to get there one day,
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but they know
I have dated people with potential and…
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Yes, at a wedding it scared me a little
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not being able to see the ideal scenario.
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We're sorry it didn't work,
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but I'm glad they're here today
to talk about it.
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A big part of your history together
It was Luca, his son,
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and Jordan, I saw what you said,
after you are done,
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which you regret
to introduce Luca to Megan.
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How did you feel when you heard those words?
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That one hurt.
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You know, I understand.
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It's his son.
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It's his world and…
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... I enter it from the outside,
be a part of it,
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I think that was very important
he took that leap of faith and…
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Yes, I understand Jordan for that.
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I hope that is not the case.
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And I am still very grateful
for introducing me to him.
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To be clear, I have no regrets
to have portrayed him as a person.
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At his age
stability is very important.
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And it wasn't even you,
I was the one who wanted to do this
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and brought him into this whole experience.
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It had nothing to do with Megan.
She is amazing.
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- It had nothing to do with you.
- Thank you.
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- How is Luca? How is he?
- Fantastic, thank you. Very good.
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It is very inspiring as a father
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see your love for your son
and how much he means to you.
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- It is special.
- I hope it is inspiring for everyone.
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- Because being a father is a privilege.
- And even.
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And you know... That's the most important thing
it has already happened to me.
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It looks good on you.
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- Thank you.
- Yes.
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After your separation,
Megan had a very emotional moment,
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and said he wasn't sure
if I was made to be a mother.
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During the time you spend,
What do you think after listening to this?
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I completely disagree. You would be a good mother.
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Megan, do you still feel this way?
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Do you still feel
that you are not fit to be a mother?
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No, I think at that moment…
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It was a very emotional day
and I doubted many things.
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Then.
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No, I mean...
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Today, in fact,
I have a little surprise.
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Now I am a mother.
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My God!
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- Surprise!
- What?
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What?
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Did I not notice that?
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I had a boy two and a half months ago.
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Damn!
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- Congratulations, Megan.
- It's fantastic.
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You were fuller.
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Now I understand.
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The girls said, "You're plump."
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And I: "Thank you."
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Now that makes sense!
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What the hell?
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Yes, I have a boy. And he is my world.
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And you know,
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now I know more than ever
that she was destined to be a mother.
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And he is amazing.
Our family is very happy. Yes.
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Can you tell me his name?
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-Brooks. Yes.
-Brooks.
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And we learned that Brook's father
am here tonight.
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- It is public.
- Paul is in the audience.
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Where are you, Paul?
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- Hey, Paul!
- Hey, Paul!
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Congratulations, man!
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Congratulations.
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How did you meet?
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We stopped filming in April.
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Paul and I were introduced
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It happened quickly.
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Yes. I got pregnant after three months of dating.
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We had ups and downs.
I'm not saying it was perfect.
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But Paul has been amazing
and we are very happy.
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Paul, it's a pleasure to meet you.
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- Nice to meet you and little Brooks.
- I'm so happy for you.
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I think we have some pictures
to share with everyone.
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Let's take a look. Very good.
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My God!
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It's the best there is!
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I'm learning to be
much more altruistic.
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I think being a mother
it is the ultimate act of altruism.
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It also gave me more empathy
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against Jordan
and the fact that he is a single father.
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Yeah, I just…
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I applaud Jordan
to have this experience,
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and give your heart.
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It is very special.
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Jordan, that's for sure
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it was a big shock
and surprise for all of us on this stage.
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- Was it a surprise for you too?
- No.
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- No.
- Did you know that?
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- Yes, I knew.
- Right.
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It was a disgusting person who contacted me
on Instagram and trying to cause trouble.
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So I talked to Megan.
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She was very transparent,
which I appreciate.
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If you had found out now,
It would have been disturbing.
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I appreciate your openness and honesty.
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You will be amazing parents.
I don't doubt it.
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Nobody knew?
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- No.
- No. Nobody knew.
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What made you say it made sense?
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{\an8}I mean,
I haven't seen Megan in a long time.
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It was one of the girls
who I was closest to
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while filming the program.
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So it makes sense that I didn't see you.
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- You may have been hiding a little.
- Yes, you disappeared.
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I also thought, "What happened to Megan?"
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What a secret. You would make an excellent spy.
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It's a big secret
to keep for so long!
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It was difficult, yes.
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- Did you have a baby shower?
- Yes.
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- And you kept this a secret?
- Yes, no mobile phones.
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- God bless your friends.
- Paul, you're crazy.
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You know, being in the limelight now,
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I just wanted to get pregnant
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and Brook's early life in particular.
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I love it.
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Jordan, I want to know
if there was anything that surprised you
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Now that you've seen the ninth season?
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yes you know
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Mike and I spent time together
after the experience ends.
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And he called me one day and said:
"I have to go to lunch and talk to you."
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I said, “I don't
feel good Let's talk now."
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He said: “It's about the programme.
Nothing special."
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We went to lunch, and he was short and fat:
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“Just so you know, I went out with Megan
after the end of the program."
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And I said, “Okay. It's up to you.
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No hard feelings."
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Oddly enough, I was sure about the camera
that we would have that spark,
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but personally,
It didn't happen from my side with him….
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So.
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Megan, you also had a strong connection
with Blake on camera.
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- And he disappeared.
- Yes.
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Have you met since then?
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Yes, a few weeks later
of me and Jordan breaking up.
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We went for a margarita just to...
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I think he wanted to apologize
formal, which I found admirable.
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I think everyone can attest
that Blake is amazing.
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- He is a genuine guy.
- And even.
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I don't think he had bad intentions.
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I don't want to speak for him,
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But I spent a lot of time with Blake
and he is a good person.
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I want to backtrack a bit.
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This is something very important
for our family,
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but we want to talk about it.
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In the chambers, in one of the meetings,
there was a comment about, and I quote:
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"A guy whose son has diabetes."
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And he told this
with eating habits and such,
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what is wrong.
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Do you want to explain
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the different types
and how does this relate to Luca?
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There are two types of diabetes.
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There is type 1, an autoimmune disease,
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and there are type 2,
where the body is resistant to insulin
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due to high sugar consumption.
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Type 1 is genetic.
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There is nothing you can do
to control it. It happens.
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Yes, once again…
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And Mike texted me,
apologized
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and took responsibility,
I was determined to learn the difference.
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And then he made a big donation
to the life of a child,
254
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which is an institution that we like.
255
00:12:52,396 --> 00:12:54,523
That is why my question is…
256
00:12:55,191 --> 00:12:59,987
I forgave Mike as soon as this became known.
I think everyone should do the same.
257
00:13:00,571 --> 00:13:03,491
But yes, there are two types of diabetes.
We are always learning.
258
00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:07,453
Jordan, we talked about
Megan's love life
259
00:13:07,536 --> 00:13:09,622
since you broke up.
260
00:13:09,705 --> 00:13:12,333
And you? Have you met anyone?
261
00:13:12,416 --> 00:13:16,295
I had a few casual encounters, but nothing…
262
00:13:16,378 --> 00:13:20,716
I'm not ready to introduce Luca
to anyone at this time, so no.
263
00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,551
- Yes.
- The whole thing is very relaxed.
264
00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:26,347
I have to ask, are you still drinking?
the chicken shake with Crystal Light?
265
00:13:26,430 --> 00:13:29,266
Every day, well... It's not that bad!
266
00:13:29,350 --> 00:13:31,310
- You told me it was cooked.
- Yes!
267
00:13:31,393 --> 00:13:33,020
I don't agree.
268
00:13:33,103 --> 00:13:34,563
The chicken is cooked.
269
00:13:34,647 --> 00:13:38,108
They have to put subtitles.
They lowered the volume for that part.
270
00:13:38,192 --> 00:13:41,695
Has anyone else tried it
the chicken shake with Crystal Light?
271
00:13:41,779 --> 00:13:44,323
Good, because we have
enough for everyone here!
272
00:13:46,283 --> 00:13:50,079
And it works!
That outfit really suits you!
273
00:13:50,162 --> 00:13:51,914
Yes, I look pumped in the picture.
274
00:13:51,997 --> 00:13:53,123
isn't it?
275
00:13:54,583 --> 00:13:56,335
Go ahead, ladies! He's fine!
276
00:13:57,127 --> 00:13:59,255
It's messed up
since Myles Smith joined.
277
00:13:59,338 --> 00:14:01,257
- Sure?
- Be careful with her!
278
00:14:01,340 --> 00:14:02,883
Set the table.
279
00:14:04,593 --> 00:14:07,596
Megan, as I said before,
you can be a spy,
280
00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:10,307
because you managed to keep
a difficult secret.
281
00:14:10,391 --> 00:14:12,142
You kept it a secret for months.
282
00:14:12,226 --> 00:14:14,937
But there is someone who knew…
283
00:14:15,020 --> 00:14:17,314
... about your secret.
- In the camera team.
284
00:14:17,398 --> 00:14:20,860
Yes, Kacie was the only one who knew.
285
00:14:20,943 --> 00:14:23,821
Congratulations to her too
to be quiet.
286
00:14:23,904 --> 00:14:27,199
Speaking of Kacie,
I think she is here today.
287
00:14:27,283 --> 00:14:30,703
believe this,
We have a lot of questions for Kacie.
288
00:14:30,786 --> 00:14:33,706
It's true, but she's not the only one
guest we have to call.
289
00:14:33,789 --> 00:14:37,585
Let us welcome
to the runway...
290
00:14:37,668 --> 00:14:40,337
I already understand what you did.
291
00:14:40,421 --> 00:14:42,756
I mean the scene. Applause, everyone.
292
00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,135
Kacie, Kait
and our favorite seal, Patrick.
293
00:14:47,845 --> 00:14:49,346
{\an8}KACIE
294
00:14:49,430 --> 00:14:50,514
Come on guys!
295
00:14:50,598 --> 00:14:51,807
Hello!
296
00:14:56,353 --> 00:14:57,271
Hi Kait!
297
00:14:57,354 --> 00:14:58,689
- Hello!
- How are you?
298
00:14:58,772 --> 00:15:00,816
- So good! It's good to be here.
- You look good.
299
00:15:00,900 --> 00:15:03,235
- Thank you!
- We are glad you came.
300
00:15:03,319 --> 00:15:05,029
Patrick! My!
301
00:15:05,112 --> 00:15:06,363
- Welcome!
- Thank you.
302
00:15:06,447 --> 00:15:09,241
- Thank you for having me.
- Thank you for coming!
303
00:15:10,117 --> 00:15:11,452
I loved!
304
00:15:13,787 --> 00:15:15,372
- Hi, Kacie.
- Hello.
305
00:15:15,456 --> 00:15:17,791
- How are you?
- Gets scared.
306
00:15:19,585 --> 00:15:23,547
Last time we saw you on the show,
you were in the hotel lobby with the production.
307
00:15:24,298 --> 00:15:29,428
Patrick, you never saw the part
until you watch the whole season.
308
00:15:29,511 --> 00:15:32,181
When you saw him,
309
00:15:32,264 --> 00:15:34,016
how were you
310
00:15:34,099 --> 00:15:38,896
yes i mean
It hurt a little to see,
311
00:15:38,979 --> 00:15:42,316
just because I never got an answer
when we got back from Denver.
312
00:15:42,399 --> 00:15:46,987
But I already had an idea
because he was removed.
313
00:15:47,071 --> 00:15:51,700
But I hadn't heard
all words, so…
314
00:15:51,784 --> 00:15:53,285
Seeing him was…
315
00:15:53,369 --> 00:15:56,997
It was cool, but it wasn't great.
316
00:15:57,081 --> 00:15:59,541
- But it was cool.
- I don't think it was cool.
317
00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:02,044
It broke my heart to see him.
318
00:16:03,545 --> 00:16:06,674
- I just wanted to protect you.
- Stop with the nonsense.
319
00:16:06,757 --> 00:16:08,217
- I think.
- Yes!
320
00:16:08,300 --> 00:16:12,638
I know no one will see him like this,
321
00:16:12,721 --> 00:16:15,683
But I went through it with you.
322
00:16:16,266 --> 00:16:22,523
And I tried to explain it maybe
In this period of high pressure...
323
00:16:23,107 --> 00:16:26,568
... didn't know
If my attraction could grow
324
00:16:26,652 --> 00:16:28,904
until you reach the altar.
325
00:16:29,405 --> 00:16:34,243
I didn't know if I couldn't grow,
kind of in our own time.
326
00:16:34,326 --> 00:16:37,287
Jordan,
I see a myriad of faces happening…
327
00:16:39,123 --> 00:16:42,376
...at the foot of the sofa.
- I have ADHD.
328
00:16:43,252 --> 00:16:46,046
What you saw is different
what did you hear
329
00:16:46,797 --> 00:16:48,882
Does not match, does not follow,
330
00:16:48,966 --> 00:16:51,885
but I realize that everyone
have your own perspective.
331
00:16:52,678 --> 00:16:56,015
I heard that Patrick
he was crushed.
332
00:16:56,098 --> 00:16:57,975
When he arrived at the Stampede for the meeting,
333
00:16:58,058 --> 00:17:00,394
I could tell he was disoriented.
334
00:17:00,477 --> 00:17:03,814
I heard he asked for the ring back
and Kacie said "no."
335
00:17:03,897 --> 00:17:06,859
I don't know the intimate details of this,
but I had heard that.
336
00:17:06,942 --> 00:17:08,485
I saw that there were unresolved issues.
337
00:17:09,153 --> 00:17:10,988
The ring thing is so weird.
338
00:17:11,071 --> 00:17:12,072
As...
339
00:17:13,532 --> 00:17:15,576
Netflix offered the rings.
340
00:17:15,659 --> 00:17:19,913
I don't think anyone is right
to ask for the ring anyway.
341
00:17:19,997 --> 00:17:22,624
- But why stay with him?
- Why give it?
342
00:17:22,708 --> 00:17:25,252
Because he told me
that I could be with him
343
00:17:25,335 --> 00:17:29,298
when we met in the hotel lobby.
344
00:17:30,466 --> 00:17:33,093
- Then we went back to Denver...
- It's...
345
00:17:34,011 --> 00:17:35,179
You could keep it
346
00:17:35,262 --> 00:17:38,015
because I thought we were going
go back to Denver and try.
347
00:17:38,098 --> 00:17:39,600
I thought we were too.
348
00:17:39,683 --> 00:17:43,604
And when we got back to Denver, we didn't try.
349
00:17:43,687 --> 00:17:47,024
Or felt
that you didn't try hard enough.
350
00:17:47,107 --> 00:17:48,859
When we got back to Denver,
351
00:17:48,942 --> 00:17:52,446
I immediately sent a message to Patrick.
352
00:17:52,988 --> 00:17:56,241
I approached him: “I'm thinking of you.
I hope you're okay."
353
00:17:56,325 --> 00:17:59,953
Patrick wanted
an instant call.
354
00:18:00,037 --> 00:18:02,372
This was a Saturday morning.
355
00:18:02,456 --> 00:18:06,668
I asked, “Can we postpone this
for Monday or Tuesday?"
356
00:18:06,752 --> 00:18:10,589
When my feelings
are a little less intense.
357
00:18:11,632 --> 00:18:15,344
He wanted a phone call immediately
and I said:
358
00:18:15,427 --> 00:18:16,804
“I don't know if you'll make it
359
00:18:16,887 --> 00:18:20,390
the answer you want now,
considering how I feel."
360
00:18:20,474 --> 00:18:23,185
A few days later he said:
361
00:18:23,268 --> 00:18:27,689
with all due respect, I wanted to be
my friend and wanted the ring back.
362
00:18:27,773 --> 00:18:29,399
Was it then?
363
00:18:29,483 --> 00:18:31,652
When you returned, you exchanged messages:
364
00:18:31,735 --> 00:18:35,155
"Let's be friends, with all due respect,
and can I have the ring back?"
365
00:18:35,239 --> 00:18:40,410
Or was it another point of view
by your side
366
00:18:40,494 --> 00:18:42,162
When did you get back to Denver?
367
00:18:43,163 --> 00:18:45,791
We went back to Denver, she contacted me.
368
00:18:45,874 --> 00:18:51,839
She said, "I'm sorry if I hurt you."
And I asked him to enlighten me.
369
00:18:51,922 --> 00:18:53,715
And I don't really know why,
370
00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:56,885
but she had a lot of difficulty
to tell me the truth.
371
00:18:56,969 --> 00:18:59,471
There were many different things.
372
00:18:59,555 --> 00:19:00,889
So I thought:
373
00:19:00,973 --> 00:19:03,976
“If she can't express herself
feelings right now…”
374
00:19:04,059 --> 00:19:06,019
I told him, "Okay. Let's be friends."
375
00:19:06,103 --> 00:19:09,398
And he said:
"Can we talk about this in person?"
376
00:19:09,481 --> 00:19:12,526
So I asked for a phone call
377
00:19:12,609 --> 00:19:14,403
and she said she wasn't ready.
378
00:19:14,486 --> 00:19:17,656
There was a lot of pressure
because half the cast was already home.
379
00:19:17,739 --> 00:19:19,408
They wanted a party.
380
00:19:19,491 --> 00:19:25,372
we meet,
and basically I'm going to say hello.
381
00:19:26,206 --> 00:19:29,793
She said hi, but we didn't say much and…
382
00:19:29,877 --> 00:19:31,753
what did you say
383
00:19:31,837 --> 00:19:34,047
Said, "What is it, ex-wife?" in jest.
384
00:19:34,131 --> 00:19:36,842
Yes. But maybe it wasn't the right time.
385
00:19:37,426 --> 00:19:40,637
The immediate phone call was basically…
386
00:19:40,721 --> 00:19:42,806
I was not prepared for that conversation.
387
00:19:42,890 --> 00:19:45,100
It was just to tell the group what we were.
388
00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:48,353
At the time I thought:
"I don't care what we tell them."
389
00:19:48,437 --> 00:19:52,024
Kacie, for you, if you could…
390
00:19:52,107 --> 00:19:55,944
This is your moment to say:
"I regret how I handled it."
391
00:19:56,028 --> 00:19:58,989
Apologize
for any damage you have caused
392
00:19:59,072 --> 00:20:02,159
and we could clean this up, leave it alone
393
00:20:02,242 --> 00:20:03,869
and I don't need the ring back.
394
00:20:03,952 --> 00:20:06,872
This is the perfect platform
to apologize
395
00:20:06,955 --> 00:20:08,749
and I would accept that.
396
00:20:08,832 --> 00:20:11,627
I loved you on camera.
397
00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:12,836
i...
398
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:15,505
I was a distant second choice,
but yes.
399
00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:17,883
I loved you on camera.
400
00:20:17,966 --> 00:20:22,012
Anna went on the fifth day,
you know that. You stayed until the tenth day.
401
00:20:22,095 --> 00:20:24,640
People had different relationships
the tenth, finally,
402
00:20:24,723 --> 00:20:28,227
i still like you
I still know you are a good person.
403
00:20:28,852 --> 00:20:30,979
This is your opportunity
for you to apologize.
404
00:20:31,063 --> 00:20:32,940
Let's clear this up and step aside.
405
00:20:34,733 --> 00:20:38,695
I worry about the fact that people
sent down the internet.
406
00:20:38,779 --> 00:20:41,240
I just want her to get over this chapter.
407
00:20:41,323 --> 00:20:44,409
It's for her, not me. Does this make sense?
408
00:20:45,786 --> 00:20:49,665
I think it's a genuine gesture
from your side, if true.
409
00:20:49,748 --> 00:20:53,126
Yeah, because it's like... Everyone's talking.
410
00:20:53,210 --> 00:20:55,545
Are you worried about them destroying me on the internet?
411
00:20:55,629 --> 00:20:58,048
For sending me a TikTok message
412
00:20:58,131 --> 00:21:01,969
and then you deleted a TikTok
who said I was the unofficial girl.
413
00:21:02,803 --> 00:21:04,554
It's a joke. It's clearly a joke.
414
00:21:04,638 --> 00:21:08,350
But it's not funny when they tell me:
"Kill you."
415
00:21:08,433 --> 00:21:12,562
Isn't it fun to send me:
"Actually, you were the unofficial bitch."
416
00:21:13,063 --> 00:21:14,898
It was an emotional reaction.
417
00:21:14,982 --> 00:21:20,195
You uploaded your first TikTok
says you were the other option,
418
00:21:20,279 --> 00:21:23,365
when we know
that Anna left on the fifth day
419
00:21:23,448 --> 00:21:26,660
and you know you and I have been there
until the tenth day then…
420
00:21:26,743 --> 00:21:30,497
I removed it because I felt sick.
It disappeared. It is what it is.
421
00:21:30,998 --> 00:21:36,253
I think you deleted it because people
They were in the comments saying:
422
00:21:36,336 --> 00:21:38,171
“Why would you ask her to marry you?
423
00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:41,133
if it was the unofficial mine?"
424
00:21:41,216 --> 00:21:43,802
We know the premise of the show.
It is the ninth season.
425
00:21:43,885 --> 00:21:46,346
People had
multiple relationships to the end.
426
00:21:47,306 --> 00:21:49,850
You were there, I chose you,
I really liked you.
427
00:21:49,933 --> 00:21:52,936
I like you too.
428
00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:54,855
- It has been...
- Yes, I know.
429
00:21:55,439 --> 00:21:59,568
I don't know why everyone
You can decide how I feel about you.
430
00:21:59,651 --> 00:22:01,987
Trust me, I've got your back.
I'm looking for you.
431
00:22:02,070 --> 00:22:04,323
- I just want you to say...
- But I'm sorry.
432
00:22:04,406 --> 00:22:07,576
“Patrick, I'm sorry I didn't have it
handled it the right way."
433
00:22:07,659 --> 00:22:09,953
I don't want you to tell me how to say it.
434
00:22:10,037 --> 00:22:13,373
- It is clear that I am very sorry.
- He is fine.
435
00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:16,752
- And I have the ring with me.
- He is fine.
436
00:22:16,835 --> 00:22:19,254
It's yours if you want it.
437
00:22:20,255 --> 00:22:23,675
Do you think you should return it?
Basically not for the money.
438
00:22:23,759 --> 00:22:26,928
- We don't talk about money.
- No, I'm not worried...
439
00:22:27,012 --> 00:22:29,639
- I'm not worried about money.
- Stay with him.
440
00:22:29,723 --> 00:22:32,559
He is doing well. I welcome it back.
441
00:22:32,642 --> 00:22:34,728
Thanks for bringing it. I thank you.
442
00:22:34,811 --> 00:22:38,023
- Do you want me to hand it over...
- Do I throw it away?
443
00:22:38,106 --> 00:22:40,484
My God!
444
00:22:41,777 --> 00:22:43,195
Damn.
445
00:22:43,278 --> 00:22:44,863
The ring scandal.
446
00:22:46,198 --> 00:22:48,533
I feel like Sméagol with the ring.
447
00:22:49,409 --> 00:22:50,786
"My precious."
448
00:22:51,995 --> 00:22:54,122
I don't know... Do we leave it back to Patrick?
449
00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:57,042
Or maybe there's a producer on stage
that I have to restore it
450
00:22:57,125 --> 00:22:58,585
since it came from production?
451
00:22:59,294 --> 00:23:00,379
Basically so...
452
00:23:00,462 --> 00:23:02,756
Now you can choose
what to do with it.
453
00:23:02,839 --> 00:23:04,925
Yes. Thanks.
454
00:23:09,346 --> 00:23:12,307
Kacie, I totally agree
your excuses.
455
00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:15,519
I still have a part of me with you, but…
456
00:23:16,103 --> 00:23:18,772
Thank you for bringing the ring.
457
00:23:18,855 --> 00:23:21,066
Well done, Kacie, Patrick,
458
00:23:21,149 --> 00:23:23,235
maybe you didn't make it
what they wanted
459
00:23:23,318 --> 00:23:26,613
but there is a place
where they always hit the nail on the head.
460
00:23:26,696 --> 00:23:30,158
Kacie, there are those who called you
"god of points".
461
00:23:30,242 --> 00:23:31,410
Let's see.
462
00:23:31,493 --> 00:23:33,412
-Kacie.
- Patrick.
463
00:23:33,995 --> 00:23:37,582
- He's fine! Get ready to shoot!
- You will fail.
464
00:23:38,583 --> 00:23:40,043
{\an8}I got it right.
465
00:23:40,752 --> 00:23:42,045
{\an8}I hit it in the air.
466
00:23:43,046 --> 00:23:44,464
{\an8}Didn't you play basketball?
467
00:23:44,548 --> 00:23:46,174
{\an8}Yes, I must recover…
468
00:23:46,258 --> 00:23:48,552
{\an8}- I have one of these in my apartment.
- Do you have it?
469
00:23:48,635 --> 00:23:50,220
- Yes!
- It's fantastic.
470
00:23:50,303 --> 00:23:51,930
Kacie, damn it.
471
00:23:54,224 --> 00:23:57,519
She likes to play with me.
Likes to be competitive.
472
00:23:57,602 --> 00:23:58,854
She likes to challenge me.
473
00:24:00,981 --> 00:24:03,900
{\an8}- I guess you failed.
- My God, I failed.
474
00:24:03,984 --> 00:24:05,485
{\an8}You have to get better.
475
00:24:07,028 --> 00:24:08,947
{\an8}She's so amazing, man.
476
00:24:09,030 --> 00:24:10,532
{\an8}We have great chemistry.
477
00:24:12,284 --> 00:24:14,578
{\an8}She meets all the requirements.
478
00:24:15,454 --> 00:24:17,205
{\an8}- I got it right.
- You didn't get anything right!
479
00:24:17,289 --> 00:24:18,790
Interest.
480
00:24:18,874 --> 00:24:20,083
Failed.
481
00:24:21,209 --> 00:24:25,255
To help Kacie and Patrick
test these bold claims,
482
00:24:25,338 --> 00:24:27,507
we have our friend and fan of the show,
483
00:24:27,591 --> 00:24:30,302
score god himself, CP3!
484
00:24:30,385 --> 00:24:33,930
Welcome Chris Paul
from the Los Angeles Clippers!
485
00:24:34,723 --> 00:24:35,724
{\an8}Chris!
486
00:24:40,562 --> 00:24:41,730
Chris Paul!
487
00:24:41,813 --> 00:24:45,650
Okay, Kacie, Patrick, do you want to come down?
488
00:24:45,734 --> 00:24:48,320
We don't want any excuses, Patrick.
Take off your coat.
489
00:24:48,403 --> 00:24:50,071
We have scores to settle.
490
00:24:50,155 --> 00:24:53,116
They had the whole conversation
on cameras, right?
491
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,076
They shot baskets in a Nerf basket.
492
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,954
Let's see how they really play. Right?
493
00:24:58,038 --> 00:25:00,540
- Yes, let's go...
- Right there. It's okay.
494
00:25:01,166 --> 00:25:03,835
- If you succeed, you get the ring back.
- I agree.
495
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,553
- It's because I'm nervous!
- Everything is good!
496
00:25:13,637 --> 00:25:16,056
- Try again.
- The winner gets the ring.
497
00:25:16,139 --> 00:25:17,390
It's the wind.
498
00:25:17,974 --> 00:25:18,892
It's in the conversation.
499
00:25:20,727 --> 00:25:21,937
It was close.
500
00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:25,232
- The third time is too good.
- And I'm wearing high heels!
501
00:25:25,315 --> 00:25:27,609
- Patrick has three possibilities.
- He is fine.
502
00:25:27,692 --> 00:25:29,444
Is he fine? Kill him.
503
00:25:32,822 --> 00:25:33,823
Opens the cursor!
504
00:25:33,907 --> 00:25:35,075
Good basket!
505
00:25:36,326 --> 00:25:38,328
- You have three options, Patrick.
- Right.
506
00:25:38,411 --> 00:25:40,539
- Or the ring goes with her.
- It's fair.
507
00:25:40,622 --> 00:25:41,706
My God.
508
00:25:41,790 --> 00:25:43,625
He needs high heels.
509
00:25:45,460 --> 00:25:48,380
- It's the shirt's fault.
- It's 0 on 1.
510
00:25:48,463 --> 00:25:51,883
- You better unbutton some buttons!
- All good.
511
00:25:51,967 --> 00:25:53,385
One more time. I feel fine.
512
00:25:56,638 --> 00:25:58,265
Two!
513
00:25:58,348 --> 00:26:00,267
- Then! No pressure!
- It's one after another!
514
00:26:00,350 --> 00:26:03,228
- One more? To win?
- Third chance to win.
515
00:26:07,774 --> 00:26:10,694
It's a tiebreaker.
Both will be launched. Ladies first.
516
00:26:10,777 --> 00:26:13,071
- It's for the ring.
- For the ring.
517
00:26:13,154 --> 00:26:14,239
For the ring.
518
00:26:14,322 --> 00:26:15,782
Confession.
519
00:26:18,034 --> 00:26:20,412
- Listen!
- Patrick, you must be on the level!
520
00:26:20,495 --> 00:26:22,664
- Yes. Very good.
- Everything is at stake!
521
00:26:28,003 --> 00:26:30,255
Continue! One more!
522
00:26:34,092 --> 00:26:34,968
He already lives there.
523
00:26:36,261 --> 00:26:37,345
And that's it!
524
00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:38,346
Very good!
525
00:26:39,556 --> 00:26:40,682
It could be now!
526
00:26:40,765 --> 00:26:42,684
- She wants the ring.
- Yes, yes.
527
00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:44,311
- I want him back.
- She wants it.
528
00:26:49,024 --> 00:26:52,402
- I'll give you the ring back in Denver.
- Check it out. They hug each other.
529
00:26:52,485 --> 00:26:55,155
- You have to show them how it's done.
- Give me one, Edmond.
530
00:26:55,989 --> 00:26:57,240
Let's see.
531
00:26:58,325 --> 00:26:59,284
Ready.
532
00:27:00,869 --> 00:27:03,455
- Thank you so much for having me.
- It's nice to see you.
533
00:27:04,623 --> 00:27:07,667
- I'm a big fan.
- A round of applause for Chris Paul!
534
00:27:07,751 --> 00:27:09,502
Thank you all. Thanks.
535
00:27:11,379 --> 00:27:14,799
Thanks for coming! Thanks to Kacie
and to Patrick for playing with this.
536
00:27:14,883 --> 00:27:17,677
But I think everything is resolved
once and for all,
537
00:27:17,761 --> 00:27:19,179
Kacie gets the ring.
538
00:27:19,262 --> 00:27:21,264
I'll return it to you in Denver.
539
00:27:22,057 --> 00:27:23,683
Now! We'll have to see!
540
00:27:23,767 --> 00:27:24,809
Now!
541
00:27:24,893 --> 00:27:26,353
I'm kidding. Yes, take it.
542
00:27:27,771 --> 00:27:29,064
- Patrick.
- Here.
543
00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:32,400
- My God! You don't have to...
- Kacie, here. Stay with him.
544
00:27:32,484 --> 00:27:33,777
It is a beautiful ring.
545
00:27:33,860 --> 00:27:36,738
- It looks better on you than on me.
- You deserved it.
546
00:27:36,821 --> 00:27:38,948
Thank you, Patrick.
547
00:27:41,326 --> 00:27:42,327
Very good.
548
00:27:42,410 --> 00:27:46,164
So, Kacie. Again.
549
00:27:46,247 --> 00:27:48,500
Damn. I thought it was over.
550
00:27:48,583 --> 00:27:49,501
I know!
551
00:27:49,584 --> 00:27:53,338
You said on the show
that you couldn't get there with Patrick.
552
00:27:53,421 --> 00:27:56,341
And after meeting everyone,
finally,
553
00:27:56,424 --> 00:28:01,054
there was someone else in the camera
Who were you attracted to?
554
00:28:01,137 --> 00:28:03,515
And who can you start dating?
555
00:28:07,852 --> 00:28:09,938
I wouldn't say...
556
00:28:10,897 --> 00:28:12,399
I don't know how to answer that.
557
00:28:13,733 --> 00:28:15,860
There was someone who, when they met,
558
00:28:15,944 --> 00:28:18,988
Have you wanted an opportunity?
559
00:28:19,072 --> 00:28:21,241
- Yes, there was.
- There was.
560
00:28:21,825 --> 00:28:24,327
- Is this person here today?
- Yes.
561
00:28:26,913 --> 00:28:28,248
May we ask who?
562
00:28:28,331 --> 00:28:30,500
I know for sure
what is the next question.
563
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:38,133
I think it's on this couch in front of me.
564
00:28:38,216 --> 00:28:40,135
Edmond, you rascal! I'm kidding.
565
00:28:44,013 --> 00:28:46,057
Joe, are you hiding behind the mustache?
566
00:28:46,141 --> 00:28:47,892
But it's not that big.
567
00:28:50,103 --> 00:28:53,440
Have you and Joe dated?
568
00:28:53,523 --> 00:28:55,734
We went out together, yes.
569
00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:57,235
How many times, more or less?
570
00:28:57,318 --> 00:29:00,238
Was it somewhat long or short?
571
00:29:01,531 --> 00:29:03,825
- How long was it?
- I don't...
572
00:29:03,908 --> 00:29:05,785
A month and a half? A month?
573
00:29:05,869 --> 00:29:08,538
- One and a half months.
- Or maybe a month?
574
00:29:08,621 --> 00:29:11,040
- I don't know, right? Yes.
- One and a half months.
575
00:29:11,124 --> 00:29:13,168
Why is it over? I mean, there was…
576
00:29:13,251 --> 00:29:16,087
Something happened
Or did you stop liking each other?
577
00:29:16,171 --> 00:29:17,464
Because...
578
00:29:18,298 --> 00:29:20,258
I think it faded.
579
00:29:20,341 --> 00:29:22,051
It ended up not working.
580
00:29:22,135 --> 00:29:23,136
Right.
581
00:29:23,219 --> 00:29:25,555
I don't think any of us were ready to…
582
00:29:27,015 --> 00:29:29,684
We had come out of something where we both
583
00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:33,021
we had told others
that we loved them and then…
584
00:29:33,104 --> 00:29:35,940
Yes, it got very intense very quickly.
585
00:29:36,024 --> 00:29:39,402
- Did you have many meetings in camera?
- She was my third option.
586
00:29:39,486 --> 00:29:40,987
- The third one? He is doing well.
- Yes.
587
00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:44,365
- Was he third for you too?
- Yes.
588
00:29:44,449 --> 00:29:47,076
Did you have any connection?
in the chambers. He is doing well.
589
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,079
Madison, did you know they were dating
or who left?
590
00:29:50,163 --> 00:29:51,498
Yes, I knew.
591
00:29:52,332 --> 00:29:55,585
I really believe the connection between them
592
00:29:55,668 --> 00:29:57,504
it affected my commitment.
593
00:29:58,087 --> 00:30:03,426
On the night of the wedding dress fitting
and the costume we had all left.
594
00:30:03,510 --> 00:30:07,263
I'm there with a ring
tell your godparents
595
00:30:07,347 --> 00:30:10,517
how much i love you
that I'm excited about it.
596
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,601
And I look to the side.
597
00:30:11,684 --> 00:30:14,562
Kacie has two legs on Joe's chest.
598
00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:18,733
In your words that night you said:
"Kacie kept her eyes on me."
599
00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:23,238
And the next night we were done.
600
00:30:24,113 --> 00:30:28,952
Your actions and your actions
affected my commitment.
601
00:30:29,536 --> 00:30:33,122
Have I ever had both hands
in your chest that night?
602
00:30:33,206 --> 00:30:35,875
I don't know. I don't remember,
but this is completely false.
603
00:30:35,959 --> 00:30:38,878
I don't think it was anything like that.
I didn't think about…
604
00:30:38,962 --> 00:30:42,590
Your words were: "small eyes".
"She made eyes at me all night."
605
00:30:42,674 --> 00:30:44,133
I saw.
606
00:30:44,217 --> 00:30:46,594
Two paws on the chest. Serious flirting.
607
00:30:46,678 --> 00:30:48,721
We had a conversation about this.
608
00:30:48,805 --> 00:30:51,683
If you think that's why we broke up,
that is not the case.
609
00:30:51,766 --> 00:30:54,018
No, I think there was
great influence on it.
610
00:30:54,102 --> 00:30:57,355
It has nothing to do with our history.
It was later.
611
00:30:57,438 --> 00:30:58,481
- And...
- Of course.
612
00:30:58,565 --> 00:31:02,569
I didn't think about it when I quit.
It wasn't like that at all.
613
00:31:02,652 --> 00:31:05,154
I remember that day.
We were proof of fact.
614
00:31:05,238 --> 00:31:08,867
And I remember perfectly
that you had a hard time.
615
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:11,703
It was that night,
the bad moment was before we saw…
616
00:31:11,786 --> 00:31:14,622
- In front of the "small eyes".
- Yes. It had nothing to do with it.
617
00:31:14,706 --> 00:31:16,791
But why didn't you tell me?
618
00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:19,919
I was going to pick up my wedding dress.
You had a breakdown.
619
00:31:20,003 --> 00:31:21,296
- I saw.
- Yes.
620
00:31:21,379 --> 00:31:24,465
And you let me go to the bar,
with your friends,
621
00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:27,468
and tell them, "I love you,
I want to marry him."
622
00:31:27,552 --> 00:31:29,762
You saw me do this
623
00:31:29,846 --> 00:31:33,016
know very well
What happened at the suit fitting, why?
624
00:31:33,099 --> 00:31:35,935
We had this conversation later.
I was with some friends.
625
00:31:36,019 --> 00:31:39,063
I wanted to have fun
and not thinking about the conversation
626
00:31:39,147 --> 00:31:41,232
which we would have later in the evening.
627
00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:44,527
I really don't think about that night
had something to do with…
628
00:31:44,611 --> 00:31:48,114
Why don't we start talking
until the end of May, so...
629
00:31:48,197 --> 00:31:52,869
I mean, I was with the guys
shortly after the separation
630
00:31:52,952 --> 00:31:55,246
and he was in very bad shape.
631
00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:58,499
We only started talking at the end of May.
632
00:31:59,626 --> 00:32:03,296
When you found out, Madison,
that Joe and Kacie were dating?
633
00:32:03,379 --> 00:32:07,759
I already found out before
from Mike's Pool Party,
634
00:32:07,842 --> 00:32:09,761
where at the pool party I saw Kacie,
635
00:32:09,844 --> 00:32:13,681
and she had the courage to tell me
which we painted with the same guy.
636
00:32:13,765 --> 00:32:14,724
So...
637
00:32:17,226 --> 00:32:18,978
- What class.
- It was just a joke.
638
00:32:19,062 --> 00:32:22,065
Then you start complaining
about how he treated you,
639
00:32:22,148 --> 00:32:25,485
completely ignores the fact
that he was my ex-fiancé.
640
00:32:25,568 --> 00:32:27,904
- It's not true, it wasn't like that.
- He's fine!
641
00:32:27,987 --> 00:32:31,574
You said, “The first thing
What I thought was: "How disgusting".
642
00:32:31,658 --> 00:32:33,284
And I said, "There."
643
00:32:33,368 --> 00:32:37,956
I don't think so
that you are here and tell it like this.
644
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,667
We had a good conversation.
645
00:32:41,376 --> 00:32:44,587
Then we went to the group
and you said:
646
00:32:44,671 --> 00:32:47,966
"I'm glad we had that conversation"
and I: "I think so too."
647
00:32:49,092 --> 00:32:50,093
He is doing well.
648
00:32:52,095 --> 00:32:53,638
It looks like it has been taken care of.
649
00:32:56,182 --> 00:33:00,228
Of course. You have your perspective.
I have my truth. And that.
650
00:33:00,311 --> 00:33:03,773
The rest of you
They knew that Kacie and Joe…
651
00:33:03,856 --> 00:33:05,566
I heard she told everyone
652
00:33:05,650 --> 00:33:08,653
on her birthday in early June,
that they were dating.
653
00:33:08,736 --> 00:33:12,323
And it was a drama
because Joe is seeing someone else.
654
00:33:12,407 --> 00:33:14,784
And the two were at a party together.
655
00:33:14,867 --> 00:33:18,621
This pool party,
You say it was a drama because…
656
00:33:18,705 --> 00:33:23,001
There was drama because he and Kacie
I think they were done.
657
00:33:23,084 --> 00:33:25,211
- I think I got confused.
- I was confused.
658
00:33:25,294 --> 00:33:28,631
Joe brought Avery, Kacie
she was upset that Avery was there.
659
00:33:28,715 --> 00:33:31,801
You were also friends with Avery.
I thought you invited her.
660
00:33:31,884 --> 00:33:34,762
- At that time they were dating.
- We didn't date.
661
00:33:34,846 --> 00:33:38,099
Don't get me in trouble at home.
We didn't date.
662
00:33:38,182 --> 00:33:41,811
You say it in no time,
these relationships were crossed.
663
00:33:41,894 --> 00:33:45,606
No, and my relationship now, I mean,
664
00:33:45,690 --> 00:33:48,067
It was complicated in the first three months.
665
00:33:48,151 --> 00:33:49,736
She didn't want to date me.
666
00:33:49,819 --> 00:33:53,406
There were many separations,
reconciliations, separations.
667
00:33:53,489 --> 00:33:58,661
In October it was also shaky,
around Halloween.
668
00:33:58,745 --> 00:34:00,955
We got back together.
We dated in November.
669
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:04,208
What it means: “Together at the party
from the pool, but weren't they dating?"
670
00:34:04,292 --> 00:34:07,003
- They appeared together.
- We appeared together.
671
00:34:07,086 --> 00:34:09,422
I don't remember the drama
between me and Avery.
672
00:34:09,505 --> 00:34:11,591
- Yes.
- Are you saying there was no drama?
673
00:34:11,674 --> 00:34:14,135
- Not between the two of us.
- No, no...
674
00:34:14,218 --> 00:34:18,639
- You complained about how he treated you.
- It looked like you were crying in a corner.
675
00:34:18,723 --> 00:34:20,850
As you said
which we painted with the same guy.
676
00:34:20,933 --> 00:34:24,020
You said it was drama
between me and Avery. There wasn't.
677
00:34:24,103 --> 00:34:26,981
So the crying at the pool party
was it just about joe in general?
678
00:34:27,065 --> 00:34:29,525
- Not about Joe and Avery?
- My God.
679
00:34:30,151 --> 00:34:31,527
What the hell?
680
00:34:31,611 --> 00:34:32,779
My God!
681
00:34:33,654 --> 00:34:36,991
Let's speak the truth.
There seems to be overlap.
682
00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:39,702
I speak the truth.
I cried because...
683
00:34:39,786 --> 00:34:41,496
Yes, he liked Joe.
684
00:34:41,579 --> 00:34:45,833
It seems it got serious very quickly,
if you came to cry
685
00:34:45,917 --> 00:34:48,711
drool and snort at a pool party,
is that true?
686
00:34:48,795 --> 00:34:51,964
- I don't want to put words in your mouth.
- Yes, I liked him a lot.
687
00:34:52,048 --> 00:34:55,384
I'm curious. I think we have to bring
the other party in the foreground.
688
00:34:55,468 --> 00:34:58,221
Patrick, did you know about Kacie and Joe?
689
00:34:58,304 --> 00:35:01,140
Were you also at the pool party?
Where do...
690
00:35:02,266 --> 00:35:05,061
Where are you in this situation?
691
00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:07,355
I don't even know if I knew.
692
00:35:07,438 --> 00:35:09,190
I swear.
693
00:35:09,273 --> 00:35:11,609
I think I showed up at the pool party,
694
00:35:11,692 --> 00:35:15,279
we all get screwed
and we laughed and joked.
695
00:35:15,363 --> 00:35:18,407
I think I only discovered it much later,
that is why...
696
00:35:18,491 --> 00:35:21,327
I had no idea. That wasn't my problem.
697
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:25,915
Joe, I want to back up a little bit
and I want you to tell me what happened
698
00:35:25,998 --> 00:35:29,252
after breaking up with Madison.
699
00:35:30,128 --> 00:35:32,672
You two talked after that,
700
00:35:32,755 --> 00:35:34,966
you sent it directly to Kacie
701
00:35:35,049 --> 00:35:38,553
or how it was with Madison
after you broke up?
702
00:35:38,636 --> 00:35:43,266
We had a drink afterwards
and, as usual,
703
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:45,852
I think we discussed it and then…
704
00:35:45,935 --> 00:35:48,062
I don't remember us arguing.
705
00:35:48,146 --> 00:35:50,940
I think we were
have a conversation where I
706
00:35:51,023 --> 00:35:53,985
I tried to clarify
that I didn't understand.
707
00:35:54,068 --> 00:35:57,738
And finally,
you took me back to my car.
708
00:35:57,822 --> 00:35:59,699
- We started to enjoy it.
- We did it.
709
00:35:59,782 --> 00:36:02,577
You started to cry.
And I said, "What's going on?"
710
00:36:03,161 --> 00:36:06,164
These feelings
they were still fresh I guess.
711
00:36:06,873 --> 00:36:09,375
Probably,
We shouldn't have started enjoying it.
712
00:36:12,628 --> 00:36:14,881
- You are doing this to yourself.
- I'm doing this to myself!
713
00:36:14,964 --> 00:36:17,967
- What was that?
- That fool.
714
00:36:18,050 --> 00:36:21,387
- Because, for me it was very confusing.
- It was confusing for me.
715
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:24,557
I'll take you back to the car,
Those feelings remain
716
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,684
and I think there was a connection and…
717
00:36:26,767 --> 00:36:29,645
We started enjoying it and…
718
00:36:29,729 --> 00:36:32,982
And then I thought to myself:
"Man, that's..."
719
00:36:33,566 --> 00:36:37,737
We've been through so much
In such a short time I was like...
720
00:36:37,820 --> 00:36:39,739
I think it was me when he hit me.
721
00:36:39,822 --> 00:36:42,325
Because I didn't cry at the end of the relationship.
722
00:36:42,408 --> 00:36:46,078
For some reason,
In these situations I cannot cry.
723
00:36:46,162 --> 00:36:48,289
It happens to me later, usually.
724
00:36:48,372 --> 00:36:52,376
I think it was when
I got tears in my eyes so…
725
00:36:52,460 --> 00:36:53,502
Yes. I don't know.
726
00:36:53,586 --> 00:36:58,299
I think that was the end. It affected me.
727
00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:04,430
Madison, you are clear about the reason
728
00:37:04,513 --> 00:37:06,599
What did he end up with?
729
00:37:06,682 --> 00:37:09,227
No. I...
730
00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:12,980
At this point, I've already accepted that I won't have it
a complete sentence from Joe
731
00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:15,316
about what really happened.
732
00:37:15,399 --> 00:37:16,609
It doesn't hurt.
733
00:37:16,692 --> 00:37:18,486
This is not a criticism.
734
00:37:18,569 --> 00:37:22,907
In fact, review all of that
it was very frustrating.
735
00:37:22,990 --> 00:37:28,204
And it was very unpleasant
watch Joe talk about my body.
736
00:37:28,287 --> 00:37:30,373
Nowadays,
737
00:37:30,456 --> 00:37:34,085
It is unacceptable to talk about someone like that.
738
00:37:35,002 --> 00:37:38,422
It hurt a lot,
for by being in that experience,
739
00:37:38,506 --> 00:37:41,759
the door is open to people
review our appearance.
740
00:37:41,842 --> 00:37:44,053
All of us, not just me.
741
00:37:44,136 --> 00:37:47,098
But when he flung the door wide open,
742
00:37:47,181 --> 00:37:50,142
I have received so many comments
over my body
743
00:37:50,226 --> 00:37:52,979
and deep down,
Your words carried weight, Joe.
744
00:37:53,562 --> 00:37:57,483
It was horrible to hear and experience this.
745
00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:00,486
- Yes.
- Do you want to talk about it?
746
00:38:00,569 --> 00:38:03,489
We had a conversation
five minutes on
747
00:38:03,572 --> 00:38:05,491
what we were looking for before
748
00:38:05,574 --> 00:38:08,869
and what i said was:
"Less women."
749
00:38:08,953 --> 00:38:11,080
She told me what her ex-boyfriends were like
750
00:38:11,163 --> 00:38:13,374
and what she was looking for before.
751
00:38:14,458 --> 00:38:16,377
I didn't want to embarrass her.
752
00:38:16,460 --> 00:38:22,508
I also felt that we had
a sexual chemistry.
753
00:38:22,591 --> 00:38:27,054
Not as I thought
that she was not attractive.
754
00:38:27,138 --> 00:38:30,057
I think you have heard
many times in the program,
755
00:38:30,141 --> 00:38:33,269
what we did was fight and complain,
that is why...
756
00:38:36,939 --> 00:38:39,859
I think the physical attraction was there,
that is why...
757
00:38:39,942 --> 00:38:42,278
I didn't mean that
in a derogatory way
758
00:38:42,361 --> 00:38:45,990
and I'm sorry if it seemed that way, but it's…
759
00:38:46,073 --> 00:38:50,369
We never talk about the body or anything
after the five-minute conversation.
760
00:38:50,453 --> 00:38:52,830
I'm really sorry.
That's not what I meant.
761
00:38:52,913 --> 00:38:54,415
I'm really sorry.
762
00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:57,877
I appreciate the apology.
763
00:38:58,586 --> 00:38:59,962
Very good.
764
00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:02,131
Thanks, guys.
765
00:39:02,214 --> 00:39:04,383
Thanks, Joe, for the clarification.
766
00:39:04,467 --> 00:39:08,596
Think you have any resolution?
and an apology from him?
767
00:39:08,679 --> 00:39:11,766
Yes. As far as possible.
768
00:39:11,849 --> 00:39:13,267
Joe, am I missing something?
769
00:39:14,060 --> 00:39:17,730
- I think everything is good.
- He says, "Please continue."
770
00:39:17,813 --> 00:39:21,650
So, Kait, you're Madison's best friend
771
00:39:21,734 --> 00:39:24,403
and you are also friends with Avery,
772
00:39:24,487 --> 00:39:26,614
Joe's new girlfriend.
773
00:39:26,697 --> 00:39:29,283
- Yes.
- How is it for you?
774
00:39:29,367 --> 00:39:30,910
It is a joy.
775
00:39:30,993 --> 00:39:34,246
No. We are all adults.
776
00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:38,042
She is a good girl.
Avery is a good girl. We get along well.
777
00:39:38,125 --> 00:39:39,627
Nick, I want to talk to you now.
778
00:39:39,710 --> 00:39:42,588
- You and Kait hit the camera.
- Yes.
779
00:39:42,671 --> 00:39:45,508
And so they talked
at the party in Denver
780
00:39:45,591 --> 00:39:48,886
and you seemed to feel
which went very well,
781
00:39:48,969 --> 00:39:52,932
but Kait seemed to think otherwise.
782
00:39:53,015 --> 00:39:56,060
After seeing this,
783
00:39:56,143 --> 00:39:59,230
Is there anything you want to say to Kait
at this moment?
784
00:39:59,313 --> 00:40:02,191
I apologized to you.
I felt it was an end point for me.
785
00:40:02,274 --> 00:40:04,235
It was a weight I lifted off my chest.
786
00:40:04,318 --> 00:40:06,904
I was very immature
the way i handled it,
787
00:40:06,987 --> 00:40:09,615
when I couldn't tell you
which had a stronger connection.
788
00:40:09,698 --> 00:40:13,869
But at that moment,
I felt a kind of closure.
789
00:40:13,953 --> 00:40:16,414
But what I want to say is that
790
00:40:16,497 --> 00:40:20,668
I completely failed to accept
responsibility for the separation.
791
00:40:20,751 --> 00:40:25,464
I used faith to try to control the situation
instead of being in it,
792
00:40:25,548 --> 00:40:27,675
live in it and I'm really sorry.
793
00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:31,929
It's something I'm working on
and you are an amazing person.
794
00:40:32,012 --> 00:40:35,641
You didn't deserve this and it's obvious
that I didn't deserve you, so…
795
00:40:35,724 --> 00:40:37,435
I'm sorry.
796
00:40:37,518 --> 00:40:39,645
Thanks for that. I thank you.
797
00:40:39,728 --> 00:40:43,149
It was hard for me to accept
the apology at the meeting,
798
00:40:43,232 --> 00:40:47,319
because you can contact me
and talk to me anytime.
799
00:40:47,403 --> 00:40:50,990
And there was never any contact
to talk alone.
800
00:40:51,073 --> 00:40:55,619
Or is it filmed?
or was it after you knew I was coming.
801
00:40:55,703 --> 00:40:57,580
He sent a message apologizing.
802
00:40:57,663 --> 00:41:01,375
I felt like it seemed premeditated, you know?
803
00:41:01,459 --> 00:41:04,503
If it's real, why didn't you ask for it?
talk to me outside the program?
804
00:41:04,587 --> 00:41:07,256
Alone? Without an audience, you know?
805
00:41:07,756 --> 00:41:08,674
Yes, I...
806
00:41:08,757 --> 00:41:10,509
We talked during the summer.
807
00:41:10,593 --> 00:41:15,097
Until I gave the program, I thought we had it
reached an end point.
808
00:41:15,181 --> 00:41:18,517
But see him again
it was dissociative and shocking to me.
809
00:41:18,601 --> 00:41:22,771
It was disgusting to see me behave like that.
810
00:41:22,855 --> 00:41:27,151
And I said I was sorry, but I couldn't find it
that I needed to ask again.
811
00:41:27,234 --> 00:41:29,028
I thought it was an end
812
00:41:29,111 --> 00:41:32,281
and I didn't realize it worked for you
superficial and superficial.
813
00:41:32,364 --> 00:41:33,449
This is...
814
00:41:33,532 --> 00:41:34,617
Yes, it was...
815
00:41:35,117 --> 00:41:39,038
- It was rubbish to see, sorry.
- Yes. I can agree.
816
00:41:39,121 --> 00:41:43,542
When viewing camera episodes,
it didn't seem like he wanted a wedding.
817
00:41:43,626 --> 00:41:46,128
It seemed to me that he wanted an audience.
818
00:41:47,254 --> 00:41:51,175
I felt that was why women
they have trust issues don't they?
819
00:41:51,258 --> 00:41:54,303
I felt you coming
and you acted like a creep.
820
00:41:54,386 --> 00:41:58,599
Do you know? With repeated phrases
me and the other girls.
821
00:41:58,682 --> 00:42:01,268
Saying the same thing over and over.
822
00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:05,648
And it was like this:
"Did it matter?"
823
00:42:05,731 --> 00:42:07,233
- Yes.
- That's what I felt.
824
00:42:07,316 --> 00:42:11,153
Annie, everyone said
that he was very affectionate on camera
825
00:42:11,237 --> 00:42:12,947
and now that you've seen it,
826
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:16,450
As we stand here today, what do you think about this?
827
00:42:16,534 --> 00:42:20,287
I think, honestly, being on camera
828
00:42:20,371 --> 00:42:23,082
It's a situation
very intense for all of us
829
00:42:23,165 --> 00:42:26,335
because we are
in a very fast-paced experience
830
00:42:26,418 --> 00:42:28,212
trying to find our person.
831
00:42:28,295 --> 00:42:32,174
Yes, you rush to say "I love you"
832
00:42:32,258 --> 00:42:34,927
or find a connection faster,
833
00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:37,972
but I think in turn it does you too
834
00:42:38,055 --> 00:42:42,309
turn to another connection
just as quickly.
835
00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:45,563
You can tune me in too. It wasn't good.
836
00:42:46,272 --> 00:42:48,148
You said she could fix you.
837
00:42:48,232 --> 00:42:50,401
Why do you think?
that she would have to do this?
838
00:42:50,484 --> 00:42:52,903
Obviously I messed up.
839
00:42:52,987 --> 00:42:56,824
I said "I love you" for everything and for nothing,
I won't deny it.
840
00:42:56,907 --> 00:43:00,202
I said that because I felt butterflies
at that moment
841
00:43:00,286 --> 00:43:04,540
and said it too quickly,
I wish I could take it back,
842
00:43:04,623 --> 00:43:07,334
but it had a very real feel
in relation to you.
843
00:43:07,418 --> 00:43:10,796
Sorry, I never read the dating manual
two women at the same time
844
00:43:10,879 --> 00:43:15,217
and it was very wrong to say that
when I still had another connection.
845
00:43:15,301 --> 00:43:17,886
And it was at your expense
846
00:43:17,970 --> 00:43:21,181
that I continued
to choose the best connection for me.
847
00:43:21,265 --> 00:43:24,727
I looked in the mirror that night
and I hated the person I saw.
848
00:43:24,810 --> 00:43:27,271
Honestly, after I'm done with you.
849
00:43:27,354 --> 00:43:28,272
It was...
850
00:43:28,355 --> 00:43:31,442
I wish I could go back,
but also thank you
851
00:43:31,525 --> 00:43:34,403
not to retaliate
something you thought wasn't true.
852
00:43:34,486 --> 00:43:36,739
In addition to the initial "I love you",
853
00:43:36,822 --> 00:43:39,658
was: “I love you
until we're dead and buried."
854
00:43:39,742 --> 00:43:43,037
"I will love you beyond time."
"I will always fight for you, Kait."
855
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,874
It seemed you had entered
on ChatGPT and searched
856
00:43:46,957 --> 00:43:49,335
how to do
a girl falls in love with you.
857
00:43:49,418 --> 00:43:50,419
Seriously.
858
00:43:50,502 --> 00:43:53,255
Watched the program
and you said the same to Annie.
859
00:43:53,339 --> 00:43:56,050
I was... gagged.
860
00:43:56,133 --> 00:43:59,762
On camera you said to two girls:
"You've jumped to the top of my list."
861
00:43:59,845 --> 00:44:02,097
- And I thought, "Okay."
- First day.
862
00:44:02,181 --> 00:44:04,516
- I know!
- But anyway, yes.
863
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,935
I mean, okay, but…
864
00:44:07,019 --> 00:44:11,482
I think you are very mature
and apologize.
865
00:44:11,565 --> 00:44:14,693
And I respect that, so…
866
00:44:15,653 --> 00:44:18,906
Maybe it's also fake? I don't know!
867
00:44:18,989 --> 00:44:20,949
I don't know. It's hard to say.
868
00:44:21,033 --> 00:44:22,910
- Sorry.
- You shook your head.
869
00:44:22,993 --> 00:44:24,787
I feel sad.
870
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:27,665
I don't agree with that, actually.
871
00:44:27,748 --> 00:44:29,500
I feel this is real.
872
00:44:29,583 --> 00:44:31,835
We're dating these people and it's…
873
00:44:31,919 --> 00:44:34,338
The same way I was too
874
00:44:34,421 --> 00:44:37,758
dating someone very seriously
at the same time,
875
00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:43,430
so i understand the feeling
to go in with everything
876
00:44:43,514 --> 00:44:47,226
and thinking, “This is the person
who to date"
877
00:44:47,309 --> 00:44:49,061
and something makes sense.
878
00:44:49,144 --> 00:44:53,273
I guess that's the beauty of finding
love for someone's personality
879
00:44:53,357 --> 00:44:56,026
as opposed to the physical part.
880
00:44:56,110 --> 00:44:57,403
Sometimes it takes a while.
881
00:44:57,486 --> 00:45:01,365
Sometimes you have to turn on the light
which highlights this.
882
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:03,325
I wanted to ask you
883
00:45:03,409 --> 00:45:07,162
about the end of the relationship with Nick
and review it.
884
00:45:07,246 --> 00:45:10,999
- It was very intense for you.
- Yes.
885
00:45:11,083 --> 00:45:16,255
And you almost refused to let Nick go
and end the relationship.
886
00:45:16,338 --> 00:45:19,717
What was it like for you to see this?
and transported there?
887
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:25,055
Yes. I think I hunted
the feeling of being on camera,
888
00:45:25,139 --> 00:45:29,685
to be so in love with someone
that I could imagine all my life,
889
00:45:29,768 --> 00:45:32,312
who was not willing to give it up,
890
00:45:32,396 --> 00:45:34,064
but looking at it again,
891
00:45:34,148 --> 00:45:40,654
I can see myself forcing the whole relationship
and that's when it starts to get out of control.
892
00:45:40,738 --> 00:45:43,532
And we kept pushing and forcing her.
893
00:45:43,615 --> 00:45:47,953
I was willing
carry the burden up the mountain
894
00:45:48,036 --> 00:45:49,371
and make it work.
895
00:45:49,455 --> 00:45:51,498
And that's not the marriage I want.
896
00:45:51,582 --> 00:45:53,917
So to know you felt it,
897
00:45:54,501 --> 00:45:56,587
at the time he was
trying to end,
898
00:45:56,670 --> 00:45:59,923
what do you think happened
so you don't give up on him?
899
00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:02,801
I guess I just wanted to try a little more.
900
00:46:02,885 --> 00:46:07,890
I have this trait
it can be good and bad, this defect
901
00:46:07,973 --> 00:46:10,309
where I know I can make something work.
902
00:46:10,392 --> 00:46:13,479
But they were correct
two people to make it work.
903
00:46:13,562 --> 00:46:15,814
- And I couldn't do it alone.
- Yes.
904
00:46:15,898 --> 00:46:19,401
- You texted during the breakup.
- Yes.
905
00:46:19,485 --> 00:46:21,779
- May I ask who?
- Yes!
906
00:46:21,862 --> 00:46:24,239
sent messages
my best friend, Haley.
907
00:46:24,323 --> 00:46:25,616
It was on a Thursday.
908
00:46:25,699 --> 00:46:29,620
We would try on wedding dresses
and costumes on Saturday.
909
00:46:29,703 --> 00:46:32,122
She sent a message
asked if I could still come.
910
00:46:32,206 --> 00:46:34,625
And in that moment I felt him tearing me apart
911
00:46:34,708 --> 00:46:36,543
and I wrote to him: "Don't book the flight."
912
00:46:36,627 --> 00:46:40,714
How would you characterize
your relationship with Nick today?
913
00:46:40,798 --> 00:46:42,174
I'd say it's friendly.
914
00:46:42,257 --> 00:46:45,385
Fortunately, a year and a half has passed
and we are on separate couches.
915
00:46:45,469 --> 00:46:46,637
No, I'm kidding.
916
00:46:49,097 --> 00:46:49,973
We are friendly.
917
00:46:50,057 --> 00:46:53,101
Some fans know
that you may have made a mistake
918
00:46:53,185 --> 00:46:55,270
by choosing Nick over Brenden.
919
00:46:56,980 --> 00:47:00,275
What would you say to people who feel this way?
920
00:47:00,359 --> 00:47:04,238
I have received this message so many times.
921
00:47:04,321 --> 00:47:09,076
To be honest, I don't…
I wouldn't have liked to have chosen Brenden.
922
00:47:10,452 --> 00:47:12,120
Nick, let's get back to you.
923
00:47:12,204 --> 00:47:15,916
We heard Joe and others talking about you
924
00:47:15,999 --> 00:47:17,793
at that event in Denver,
925
00:47:17,876 --> 00:47:22,965
say things you shouldn't
be nice to see and hear.
926
00:47:23,048 --> 00:47:27,052
Is there anything you would like
to clarify today?
927
00:47:27,135 --> 00:47:28,136
Yes.
928
00:47:29,388 --> 00:47:31,348
You know, I saw this…
929
00:47:31,431 --> 00:47:34,142
I immediately sent a message to Joe:
“Man, we're good.
930
00:47:34,226 --> 00:47:38,105
You have enough worries already.”
Because also...
931
00:47:38,188 --> 00:47:40,357
Sorry, by the way. Sorry.
932
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,151
- I have already answered you. I also apologized.
- It's okay.
933
00:47:43,235 --> 00:47:45,821
It was a terrible thing to do.
It didn't seem...
934
00:47:45,904 --> 00:47:49,157
I didn't like to see myself
say those things about you.
935
00:47:49,241 --> 00:47:52,536
Nick has a good heart
and it crossed the line.
936
00:47:52,619 --> 00:47:54,538
- Sorry.
- What do you think happened?
937
00:47:54,621 --> 00:47:55,914
- What?
- At that moment.
938
00:47:55,998 --> 00:47:58,876
I think I had a...
Brenden is a great friend of mine.
939
00:47:58,959 --> 00:48:00,627
Do you know? And then…
940
00:48:00,711 --> 00:48:04,214
I thought, "Brenden should be here"…
941
00:48:04,298 --> 00:48:06,925
- Yes. Sorry. It was bullshit.
- But it is fair.
942
00:48:07,009 --> 00:48:10,137
i admit,
It was a nice hat, but also…
943
00:48:11,221 --> 00:48:13,223
I somehow moved away,
944
00:48:13,307 --> 00:48:15,934
even unintentionally, from the rest of the group.
945
00:48:16,018 --> 00:48:19,062
In the chambers, when I saw this,
946
00:48:19,146 --> 00:48:22,149
I chose to hide my game.
947
00:48:22,232 --> 00:48:24,359
I didn't tell anyone who I was dating.
948
00:48:24,443 --> 00:48:27,154
I didn't get involved in many conversations.
949
00:48:27,237 --> 00:48:30,282
And only the last day
950
00:48:30,365 --> 00:48:33,619
is that I discovered that Brenden
and Annie dated.
951
00:48:33,702 --> 00:48:36,580
And I think Brenden was very…
952
00:48:36,663 --> 00:48:39,625
Or at least guessed
that I dated Annie.
953
00:48:39,708 --> 00:48:42,836
So when Brenden said:
"It might not work"
954
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,380
and I'm there talking to him,
955
00:48:45,464 --> 00:48:48,759
he must think:
"This idiot is making fun of me."
956
00:48:48,842 --> 00:48:50,177
And I had no idea.
957
00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:53,680
Joe protects his friend,
I understand perfectly.
958
00:48:53,764 --> 00:48:55,599
- There is nothing to solve.
- He is fine.
959
00:48:55,682 --> 00:48:57,434
Let's set the record straight tonight.
960
00:48:57,517 --> 00:48:59,853
It's about putting everything on a clean plate.
961
00:48:59,937 --> 00:49:02,940
It's about getting answers.
on the questions we have,
962
00:49:03,023 --> 00:49:05,651
to apologize for anything necessary
963
00:49:05,734 --> 00:49:08,028
and accept these excuses
when appropriate.
964
00:49:08,111 --> 00:49:10,280
That is my responsible speech tonight.
965
00:49:11,740 --> 00:49:15,702
- Kait, are you seeing someone?
- No, free and loose, like a Pringle.
966
00:49:16,745 --> 00:49:20,082
- Pringles aren't loose, are they?
- I love Pringles.
967
00:49:20,165 --> 00:49:22,501
- I was very hungry.
- And the truth.
968
00:49:22,584 --> 00:49:27,756
I dated Brenden for a while,
who was one of my other contacts.
969
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:30,968
I wouldn't even call it dating.
We went out together once.
970
00:49:31,051 --> 00:49:32,761
- What happened?
- And?
971
00:49:32,844 --> 00:49:34,179
Damn.
972
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,473
Did you know about this meeting?
973
00:49:36,556 --> 00:49:40,352
I? No. I have ADHD.
Sorry. This is really fun.
974
00:49:43,105 --> 00:49:46,692
It was a mess
when we get back to Denver, let's say.
975
00:49:46,775 --> 00:49:49,903
They all met each other,
we all date
976
00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:53,573
the borders were very thin and…
977
00:49:55,117 --> 00:49:57,911
When we met,
Me and Brenden had a connection
978
00:49:57,995 --> 00:50:01,707
and we ended up leaving and then…
979
00:50:03,709 --> 00:50:07,462
After that we went out as a group another day.
980
00:50:07,546 --> 00:50:12,509
And I went to some girls
to Kacie's apartment,
981
00:50:12,592 --> 00:50:15,137
and I said to them,
they were happy for me
982
00:50:15,220 --> 00:50:17,222
and they were very excited.
983
00:50:17,889 --> 00:50:21,893
And that night,
he just wanted Kacie, so…
984
00:50:23,061 --> 00:50:26,314
- That's not true.
- Brenden captures Kacie?
985
00:50:26,398 --> 00:50:29,818
They connected to each other
and after that night…
986
00:50:29,901 --> 00:50:34,114
This is so fake,
which isn't even funny.
987
00:50:34,197 --> 00:50:35,407
Balls.
988
00:50:36,074 --> 00:50:39,494
It's so fake! Patrick was there!
We were back!
989
00:50:39,578 --> 00:50:41,830
I wasn't there! Dude, I...
990
00:50:41,913 --> 00:50:44,291
- No, I say...
- I haven't seen you in a while!
991
00:50:44,374 --> 00:50:47,419
- I said we just got back, I didn't...
- No!
992
00:50:47,502 --> 00:50:49,379
No, no, no!
993
00:50:49,463 --> 00:50:51,631
- This is so wrong!
- No!
994
00:50:52,215 --> 00:50:54,801
- No.
- This is so wrong. This is crazy.
995
00:50:54,885 --> 00:50:58,638
- Patrick, weren't you there?
- No, I was gone for months.
996
00:50:58,722 --> 00:51:01,683
- I am nowhere near this.
- Says: "I have nothing to do with this."
997
00:51:01,767 --> 00:51:04,186
That's why I live in the mountains.
I stay away.
998
00:51:04,269 --> 00:51:06,480
I wasn't there, Vanessa.
999
00:51:06,563 --> 00:51:10,609
That is not true.
Let's end this conversation.
1000
00:51:10,692 --> 00:51:12,360
It's a lie.
1001
00:51:12,444 --> 00:51:13,403
He is doing well.
1002
00:51:13,487 --> 00:51:16,907
Our next couple,
just like all of us here tonight,
1003
00:51:16,990 --> 00:51:19,785
was on the night shift
during the engagement.
1004
00:51:19,868 --> 00:51:22,996
{\an8}Hello, Ali and Anton.
1005
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,790
{\an8}- Our night owls.
- Hello.
1006
00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:30,337
{\an8}Anton, what did you think?
when you could finally hear
1007
00:51:30,420 --> 00:51:34,341
the conversation Allie had
with your friend's girlfriend?
1008
00:51:34,424 --> 00:51:37,552
I think they were at brunch
and went to the toilet.
1009
00:51:37,636 --> 00:51:40,806
Didn't hear it then,
but you had the opportunity to listen.
1010
00:51:40,889 --> 00:51:45,018
What did you think of this conversation?
How did you feel?
1011
00:51:46,019 --> 00:51:48,522
What she did cannot be done.
1012
00:51:48,605 --> 00:51:50,816
What she said was crazy.
1013
00:51:51,316 --> 00:51:56,613
Just the fact that I just saw her
twice before that evening
1014
00:51:57,322 --> 00:52:00,784
and she will come soon to talk about me
as if you knew me
1015
00:52:00,867 --> 00:52:03,995
I think it's pretty obvious
which she just wanted
1016
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:06,998
his 15 minutes of fame, I guess.
1017
00:52:07,082 --> 00:52:09,292
Have I ever been to a strip club?
1018
00:52:09,376 --> 00:52:11,962
Yes, I think most men went and…
1019
00:52:12,045 --> 00:52:14,131
There is nothing wrong with that.
1020
00:52:15,549 --> 00:52:20,053
I don't think so. But I didn't like the shape
1021
00:52:20,137 --> 00:52:22,222
how did that happen because it's like…
1022
00:52:22,305 --> 00:52:23,807
She went to the toilet.
1023
00:52:23,890 --> 00:52:27,894
She didn't want that conversation at the table,
1024
00:52:27,978 --> 00:52:29,312
I didn't want to talk about it.
1025
00:52:29,396 --> 00:52:32,607
I would have been more than happy
talking about that.
1026
00:52:32,691 --> 00:52:36,111
It was a bit tricky
and malicious like her
1027
00:52:36,194 --> 00:52:39,239
took her to the bathroom
to talk about it.
1028
00:52:40,031 --> 00:52:42,242
It could have been said there.
1029
00:52:42,325 --> 00:52:46,496
Ali, have you ever spoken to Anton
about strip clubs?
1030
00:52:46,580 --> 00:52:51,585
I really tried to remember
if we were having this conversation
1031
00:52:51,668 --> 00:52:53,670
and frankly i don't think so.
1032
00:52:54,296 --> 00:52:58,508
Which in retrospect is:
"How come we didn't have this conversation?"
1033
00:52:58,592 --> 00:53:02,137
It obviously was
something very important to me.
1034
00:53:02,220 --> 00:53:04,139
It even made me feel sick.
1035
00:53:04,222 --> 00:53:07,142
I think I mentioned him
in the bathroom with Melissa,
1036
00:53:07,225 --> 00:53:09,269
just thinking about it.
1037
00:53:09,352 --> 00:53:15,066
And ultimately the strip clubs
is good for some men.
1038
00:53:15,150 --> 00:53:20,780
I think my problem with Anton
was that we discussed religion together,
1039
00:53:20,864 --> 00:53:23,950
our education
and our return to religion.
1040
00:53:24,034 --> 00:53:27,662
And I think that's why
to hear this from Melissa
1041
00:53:27,746 --> 00:53:30,457
It made me so uncomfortable at the time.
1042
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:32,751
You should have talked about this at the table.
1043
00:53:32,834 --> 00:53:34,836
It would have been a great place
to talk about it.
1044
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,215
- Or even after.
- You didn't mention it later.
1045
00:53:38,298 --> 00:53:41,676
I don't remember what happened,
if we went home late...
1046
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,055
Anton might have some ideas
about what happened that night?
1047
00:53:45,138 --> 00:53:46,389
Yes, I have.
1048
00:53:47,140 --> 00:53:51,478
When the cameras came out,
we had a drink at the bar
1049
00:53:51,561 --> 00:53:54,439
and what I remember from the conversation was
1050
00:53:54,522 --> 00:53:57,400
that Melissa said something to him
which she did not like
1051
00:53:57,484 --> 00:54:00,779
and she would not tell what was said.
1052
00:54:00,862 --> 00:54:04,616
- Is he still with Melissa?
- No.
1053
00:54:04,699 --> 00:54:08,161
It was a little disappointing to realize
1054
00:54:08,745 --> 00:54:11,498
that the person who does not
knew nothing about me had so much…
1055
00:54:11,581 --> 00:54:14,417
It seems that it played an important role
in the decision
1056
00:54:14,501 --> 00:54:16,461
and how it all happened.
1057
00:54:16,544 --> 00:54:19,589
But Ali, I'm confused.
I understand why it upsets you,
1058
00:54:19,673 --> 00:54:22,384
even more in view of the religion question,
1059
00:54:22,467 --> 00:54:24,594
but if it bothered you so much,
1060
00:54:24,678 --> 00:54:28,431
because it was never mentioned
and given the opportunity to be enlightened?
1061
00:54:28,515 --> 00:54:31,268
Yeah, I guess… I mean, in the end…
1062
00:54:31,768 --> 00:54:33,186
A lot happened
1063
00:54:33,270 --> 00:54:36,982
during that time period
in our lives.
1064
00:54:37,065 --> 00:54:40,235
I think the night shift
adds another layer.
1065
00:54:40,318 --> 00:54:44,197
And I think that part, unfortunately,
1066
00:54:44,281 --> 00:54:47,409
prevented us from having these serious conversations.
1067
00:54:47,492 --> 00:54:51,288
And I think the other aspect of it is
1068
00:54:51,371 --> 00:54:54,082
I had a very hard time
1069
00:54:54,165 --> 00:54:57,919
to have a serious conversation
with Anton off camera.
1070
00:54:58,503 --> 00:55:01,047
It was almost as if he
1071
00:55:01,131 --> 00:55:05,468
was he not himself,
which is what I mentioned at the altar.
1072
00:55:05,552 --> 00:55:08,596
“I don't know who this person is
in front of me.
1073
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,225
We had no conversation
deep and true personally.
1074
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:14,686
Where is the man
Who did I meet on camera?
1075
00:55:14,769 --> 00:55:16,146
Where did he go?"
1076
00:55:16,229 --> 00:55:19,357
Basically say
We didn't have any serious talks...
1077
00:55:19,441 --> 00:55:23,820
I think we had several serious conversations
about all sorts of things.
1078
00:55:23,903 --> 00:55:25,405
Outside the program I guess.
1079
00:55:25,488 --> 00:55:29,451
For the show, okay, maybe not
we have had so many serious conversations.
1080
00:55:29,534 --> 00:55:31,119
I think it was the other way around.
1081
00:55:31,202 --> 00:55:33,872
- Seriously? Do you like it?
- Yes.
1082
00:55:33,955 --> 00:55:35,165
Yes.
1083
00:55:35,248 --> 00:55:38,626
I felt that when they started recording,
you had a great personality,
1084
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:40,879
something you said you wanted on camera.
1085
00:55:40,962 --> 00:55:43,256
I wanted someone
to be the center of attention
1086
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:46,343
and someone present and outgoing,
because I'm not like that.
1087
00:55:46,426 --> 00:55:48,094
You knew this was what I wanted.
1088
00:55:48,178 --> 00:55:50,930
In the show you were,
the best you have,
1089
00:55:51,014 --> 00:55:54,184
and outside the program
It was like I was back in front of the cameras
1090
00:55:54,267 --> 00:55:56,478
and was ignored and talking to a wall.
1091
00:55:57,187 --> 00:55:58,855
I couldn't talk to you.
1092
00:55:58,938 --> 00:56:01,274
You came home from work,
you didn't greet me.
1093
00:56:01,358 --> 00:56:05,278
You walked in without saying anything.
I'd say, "So, hi."
1094
00:56:06,821 --> 00:56:09,699
I don't want to talk about all this again, but…
1095
00:56:09,783 --> 00:56:12,243
You come home from work and you are tired,
1096
00:56:12,327 --> 00:56:15,413
you had a 14 hour shift,
you want to have breakfast,
1097
00:56:15,497 --> 00:56:17,207
watch some tv.
1098
00:56:17,290 --> 00:56:21,711
Meanwhile, drink a beer,
and go to sleep and…
1099
00:56:22,629 --> 00:56:26,091
Much of it was daily life,
what everyday life would look like.
1100
00:56:26,174 --> 00:56:30,804
We won't always have conversations
very deep philosophical ideas.
1101
00:56:30,887 --> 00:56:33,848
Many times you just have to come home, tired,
1102
00:56:33,932 --> 00:56:37,143
eat breakfast and go to sleep.
1103
00:56:37,227 --> 00:56:40,939
One of the conversations we saw
it was on her bachelorette party,
1104
00:56:41,022 --> 00:56:45,026
four girls were talking
about Anton's work,
1105
00:56:45,110 --> 00:56:48,571
his motivation and compare it with yours.
1106
00:56:48,655 --> 00:56:53,243
Talk about ambition and money
at that time with his friends
1107
00:56:53,868 --> 00:56:56,621
was part of your decision
to say no?
1108
00:56:56,704 --> 00:56:58,706
No, I don't think so.
1109
00:56:58,790 --> 00:57:01,835
I understood what they meant.
1110
00:57:03,586 --> 00:57:05,547
One of my friends, especially Daria…
1111
00:57:05,630 --> 00:57:08,883
She is Ukrainian, she has a past
very similar
1112
00:57:08,967 --> 00:57:12,804
to Anton,
where men must be the provision.
1113
00:57:12,887 --> 00:57:16,307
It's also like that in Brazil, where I come from,
1114
00:57:16,391 --> 00:57:20,145
and that's what i said i wanted.
1115
00:57:20,228 --> 00:57:22,063
I got my degree.
1116
00:57:22,147 --> 00:57:26,860
I had no intention of becoming a housewife,
a girlfriend, a wife.
1117
00:57:26,943 --> 00:57:30,822
I needed support when I was
study and I would continue my career.
1118
00:57:30,905 --> 00:57:33,158
I also wanted to be present
and raising children.
1119
00:57:33,241 --> 00:57:34,909
And we agreed on that.
1120
00:57:34,993 --> 00:57:38,079
We both had this intention
for our family.
1121
00:57:38,663 --> 00:57:41,374
Anton, how was it to see
how did that conversation develop?
1122
00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:46,921
These are people who don't know me
and they don't know how I am with money
1123
00:57:47,005 --> 00:57:50,717
or how I do certain things and I mean…
1124
00:57:51,301 --> 00:57:54,345
Was it disturbing to see this? Yes, it was.
1125
00:57:54,429 --> 00:57:58,475
It may have had some weight,
or maybe not, I don't know,
1126
00:57:58,558 --> 00:58:01,144
in the final decision, but…
1127
00:58:01,978 --> 00:58:04,606
Obviously...
1128
00:58:06,983 --> 00:58:10,195
...that was not good to hear.
1129
00:58:10,278 --> 00:58:13,823
There, if there was a moment,
what would you say was the moment
1130
00:58:13,907 --> 00:58:17,994
where you realized that Anton
Maybe he wasn't the right person for you?
1131
00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:21,956
I mean, without thinking too much about it,
when he wore flip-flops in Baja
1132
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,875
on our first date.
1133
00:58:24,375 --> 00:58:25,877
- Slippers?
- Yes.
1134
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,212
Was that all?
1135
00:58:27,295 --> 00:58:28,588
He showed his toes.
1136
00:58:29,380 --> 00:58:32,675
That's how I carried them and left
Or was it the toes?
1137
00:58:33,259 --> 00:58:37,055
It must have been a combination of both,
to be honest.
1138
00:58:37,138 --> 00:58:40,558
I hope his walk
It has gotten better since then, but…
1139
00:58:40,642 --> 00:58:43,686
Or maybe someone else will appreciate this walk.
1140
00:58:43,770 --> 00:58:45,522
Yes! And I am very happy for him.
1141
00:58:45,605 --> 00:58:48,316
I'm curious, are you seeing anyone?
You found...
1142
00:58:48,399 --> 00:58:49,400
Yes, I'm going.
1143
00:58:49,484 --> 00:58:51,986
I'm actually in a relationship
about a year ago.
1144
00:58:52,487 --> 00:58:53,655
Good.
1145
00:58:53,738 --> 00:58:56,115
- Congratulations!
- Yes, thank you.
1146
00:58:56,199 --> 00:59:00,203
Her name is Miranda. She is there in the public.
1147
00:59:00,828 --> 00:59:02,664
Well done, Miranda!
1148
00:59:03,331 --> 00:59:04,707
Congratulations!
1149
00:59:05,291 --> 00:59:08,753
Good girl. Very supportive.
Very understanding.
1150
00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:13,299
Yes, that's the person
that I needed in my life.
1151
00:59:13,383 --> 00:59:15,468
That's great. Congratulations.
1152
00:59:15,552 --> 00:59:17,595
Are you dating someone? Are you dating someone?
1153
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:21,891
Thank you for your interest in my life,
But I want to keep it personal.
1154
00:59:22,892 --> 00:59:24,060
Change the conversation!
1155
00:59:24,143 --> 00:59:25,937
He was happy as he sucked her thumb,
1156
00:59:27,063 --> 00:59:29,899
but at the altar she said no.
1157
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:32,443
- Did you understand?
- Hello, Edmond.
1158
00:59:32,527 --> 00:59:34,070
- Hi, Vanessa.
- Hello.
1159
00:59:34,153 --> 00:59:35,738
- Hi, KB.
- Hello.
1160
00:59:35,822 --> 00:59:37,740
- How are you?
- I'm nervous.
1161
00:59:38,241 --> 00:59:40,076
- Don't be nervous.
- He is fine.
1162
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:42,412
- It's easier for me to say that, isn't it?
- Yes.
1163
00:59:42,495 --> 00:59:44,455
- Let's begin.
- Let's do it.
1164
00:59:44,539 --> 00:59:46,749
During the season you mentioned
1165
00:59:46,833 --> 00:59:51,087
that Edmond, your ex-fiance,
it was a little different
1166
00:59:51,170 --> 00:59:53,047
on recordings and off recordings.
1167
00:59:53,131 --> 00:59:54,716
Can you talk about it?
1168
00:59:56,175 --> 00:59:59,095
Wait, I have some…
1169
00:59:59,178 --> 01:00:01,681
No, it's nothing like that. I have a bad memory.
1170
01:00:03,141 --> 01:00:04,559
Right.
1171
01:00:05,310 --> 01:00:10,106
In the beginning, in the chambers, everyone said:
"They created a connection through their trauma."
1172
01:00:10,189 --> 01:00:12,483
No, he was
my best friend on camera.
1173
01:00:12,567 --> 01:00:14,527
We had a really strong bond
1174
01:00:14,611 --> 01:00:16,654
where we sang together.
1175
01:00:16,738 --> 01:00:18,740
We had great memories.
1176
01:00:18,823 --> 01:00:21,242
And maybe he was
more emotional on camera,
1177
01:00:21,326 --> 01:00:23,161
But what many forget
1178
01:00:23,244 --> 01:00:25,830
is that they could see
his body language. I am not.
1179
01:00:25,913 --> 01:00:27,206
I heard only one voice.
1180
01:00:27,290 --> 01:00:30,043
I couldn't see
the things seen
1181
01:00:30,126 --> 01:00:31,878
or enthusiasm in some ways.
1182
01:00:31,961 --> 01:00:34,464
Crying on cameras, for me,
It didn't bother me.
1183
01:00:35,048 --> 01:00:38,468
We talk about things
that we never talk to anyone else,
1184
01:00:38,551 --> 01:00:41,929
but when we come to the real world,
the crying and...
1185
01:00:42,013 --> 01:00:43,598
That's when he cried.
1186
01:00:43,681 --> 01:00:45,725
Do you cry when you see me cry? I see.
1187
01:00:45,808 --> 01:00:48,436
But if I'm mad at you,
because you did something
1188
01:00:48,519 --> 01:00:50,063
and instead of taking responsibility,
1189
01:00:50,146 --> 01:00:54,901
you cry, kneel and say:
"I love you so much. I need you."
1190
01:00:54,984 --> 01:00:57,737
That's when I started thinking:
"There, that's manipulation."
1191
01:00:57,820 --> 01:01:00,281
And I confirmed this as manipulation
1192
01:01:00,365 --> 01:01:03,326
when, two weeks later, in Denver,
1193
01:01:03,409 --> 01:01:05,953
he woke up one day,
and said, "No more whining."
1194
01:01:06,037 --> 01:01:07,038
I said, "Okay."
1195
01:01:07,121 --> 01:01:09,290
But then he became a bastard.
1196
01:01:09,374 --> 01:01:12,460
The tears disappeared,
but he turned into a shitboot.
1197
01:01:12,543 --> 01:01:16,089
And I found:
"You might want the tears back."
1198
01:01:16,172 --> 01:01:18,591
He was very dismissive off set.
1199
01:01:18,675 --> 01:01:19,926
We talk...
1200
01:01:20,009 --> 01:01:22,762
I talked more about things outside the show
than in the program
1201
01:01:22,845 --> 01:01:25,431
because there are still a thousand cameras there recording.
1202
01:01:25,515 --> 01:01:27,100
There are many cameramen.
1203
01:01:27,183 --> 01:01:30,061
I'm vulnerable when I'm being recorded,
but much more beyond that.
1204
01:01:30,144 --> 01:01:32,522
There were times
when I went to him and cried.
1205
01:01:32,605 --> 01:01:35,692
Once I went to him crying and said:
"I'm not feeling well."
1206
01:01:35,775 --> 01:01:38,611
And since he didn't notice,
He stood up and ignored me.
1207
01:01:38,695 --> 01:01:41,447
He waved his hand and left
and i cry
1208
01:01:41,531 --> 01:01:43,866
on our kitchen table.
1209
01:01:43,950 --> 01:01:46,869
I asked, "Why did you stay away?"
And he: "I don't understand."
1210
01:01:46,953 --> 01:01:47,995
It's not fair.
1211
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:49,664
How does it make you feel?
1212
01:01:49,747 --> 01:01:52,333
And what would you like to answer?
What about this accusation?
1213
01:01:52,417 --> 01:01:54,252
As for the manipulation part…
1214
01:01:55,128 --> 01:01:57,672
I don't want to manipulate anyone.
1215
01:01:57,755 --> 01:02:00,508
I want to be able to talk
of my heart and how I feel.
1216
01:02:00,591 --> 01:02:04,011
To speak from the bottom of my heart and what I feel
seen as manipulation.
1217
01:02:04,095 --> 01:02:08,141
It will make me afraid to be open
1218
01:02:08,224 --> 01:02:11,811
and vulnerable because I don't want to
Let her think it's manipulation, but…
1219
01:02:11,894 --> 01:02:14,147
It hurts me that she says that.
1220
01:02:14,814 --> 01:02:17,316
And I'm not even
trying to be manipulative.
1221
01:02:18,192 --> 01:02:19,235
If that makes sense.
1222
01:02:19,318 --> 01:02:22,029
I don't want her to think
that I try to be like this.
1223
01:02:22,113 --> 01:02:25,700
It looks like I do, but…
1224
01:02:25,783 --> 01:02:27,577
I realize what I did wrong,
1225
01:02:27,660 --> 01:02:31,122
but I need you to understand
that he wouldn't make the same mistake again.
1226
01:02:31,205 --> 01:02:35,001
If there were repeated offences, I accept that
1227
01:02:35,084 --> 01:02:37,628
but nothing happened again and as fast as I could
1228
01:02:37,712 --> 01:02:42,467
I recognized it and noticed it,
not to repeat it again.
1229
01:02:42,550 --> 01:02:44,385
I cannot agree with that
1230
01:02:44,469 --> 01:02:47,597
because the crying happened every day
1231
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:50,683
during the first ten days
after we left the chambers.
1232
01:02:50,767 --> 01:02:52,518
So I thought it was manipulation.
1233
01:02:52,602 --> 01:02:56,397
A lot happened outside the program
and then you said i despise…
1234
01:02:56,481 --> 01:03:00,693
When I gave you a problem,
I despised him, off set.
1235
01:03:00,777 --> 01:03:04,071
On the show it was something else
because nine times out of ten
1236
01:03:04,155 --> 01:03:05,948
the problem started before we filmed.
1237
01:03:06,032 --> 01:03:09,660
So I look like an angry black woman.
I was always mad at the show.
1238
01:03:09,744 --> 01:03:12,330
And I even came to you off set
and said:
1239
01:03:12,413 --> 01:03:16,209
“Please stop making me look like this.
It's a stereotype."
1240
01:03:16,292 --> 01:03:19,462
I liked to talk about things
before they were filmed
1241
01:03:19,545 --> 01:03:22,757
or whatever
so I don't have to look so angry.
1242
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,010
Even before the rodeo,
you made me so angry
1243
01:03:26,093 --> 01:03:28,471
because you chose to be selfish.
1244
01:03:28,554 --> 01:03:30,264
You said, "I don't want to be late."
1245
01:03:30,348 --> 01:03:32,975
When we are married,
as partners, it is "we".
1246
01:03:33,059 --> 01:03:34,519
I know, and KB, notices.
1247
01:03:35,269 --> 01:03:37,730
I chose KB every day.
1248
01:03:37,814 --> 01:03:39,690
I loved KB. I respected KB.
1249
01:03:39,774 --> 01:03:42,109
Even off the set, KB…
1250
01:03:42,193 --> 01:03:45,738
There were times when I had PMS,
space needed...
1251
01:03:46,572 --> 01:03:48,199
And... I don't know.
1252
01:03:48,282 --> 01:03:52,036
And when she told me, I tried…
1253
01:03:52,537 --> 01:03:54,580
I tried to talk to her, but she…
1254
01:03:56,415 --> 01:03:59,919
I just wanted your space,
and I have to respect that.
1255
01:04:00,002 --> 01:04:00,920
He is doing well.
1256
01:04:01,003 --> 01:04:05,758
I really believe you had
a miscommunication, a problem.
1257
01:04:05,842 --> 01:04:09,720
Throughout the engagement,
I think they had serious discussions.
1258
01:04:09,804 --> 01:04:12,807
They got to the heart of the matter,
but there was a lot off the set
1259
01:04:12,890 --> 01:04:14,267
which they both talked about.
1260
01:04:14,350 --> 01:04:16,644
I think you have grown a lot.
1261
01:04:16,727 --> 01:04:19,564
I think both
They got better after the program.
1262
01:04:19,647 --> 01:04:20,481
Undoubtedly.
1263
01:04:20,565 --> 01:04:23,609
And I think they don't get married
1264
01:04:23,693 --> 01:04:25,611
it was the best choice.
1265
01:04:25,695 --> 01:04:29,657
Although it hurt at the time.
We all saw how difficult it was.
1266
01:04:29,740 --> 01:04:32,034
Which brings me to a question, because I think…
1267
01:04:32,118 --> 01:04:33,786
I'm a very emotional guy
1268
01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:35,997
and I sense that you are a very emotional guy.
1269
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,542
I wonder if it is possible
that the fact that he is so emotional,
1270
01:04:39,625 --> 01:04:41,794
be something you were not used to
1271
01:04:41,878 --> 01:04:43,796
and misinterpreted as manipulation.
1272
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,174
Do you really think you were
Manipulated by his emotions and crying?
1273
01:04:47,258 --> 01:04:50,761
- I don't know. I'm just suggesting.
- Both things can be true.
1274
01:04:50,845 --> 01:04:53,598
I think it could be something
which I am not used to
1275
01:04:53,681 --> 01:04:56,851
and I can accept that,
but I also think it could be
1276
01:04:56,934 --> 01:04:59,395
a form of manipulation when you cry.
1277
01:04:59,478 --> 01:05:02,607
If you cry because you are sad,
or have a difficult conversation,
1278
01:05:02,690 --> 01:05:05,735
that's good, but if you cry why
1279
01:05:05,818 --> 01:05:08,404
I said:
"I don't like that you did."
1280
01:05:08,487 --> 01:05:12,033
and instead of you saying "You're right,
I will be responsible.
1281
01:05:12,116 --> 01:05:16,245
Let's talk about it. I apologize.”
But you're on your knees crying...
1282
01:05:16,329 --> 01:05:18,789
- Tell me how much you love me.
- No on your knees, KB.
1283
01:05:18,873 --> 01:05:20,833
You did it outside when we moved
1284
01:05:20,917 --> 01:05:24,045
when someone said
that you were annoying.
1285
01:05:24,128 --> 01:05:25,463
Isn't that true?
1286
01:05:25,546 --> 01:05:27,298
- I just...
- Don't you remember?
1287
01:05:27,381 --> 01:05:31,260
I will respect what you say,
but i will try...
1288
01:05:31,344 --> 01:05:32,553
No, that's not true.
1289
01:05:32,637 --> 01:05:34,597
Let me give you an example.
1290
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:36,891
That's when we were
move into the apartment,
1291
01:05:36,974 --> 01:05:39,518
someone said:
"Edmond, you are a pain in the ass."
1292
01:05:39,602 --> 01:05:41,729
We stood in line to get in.
1293
01:05:41,812 --> 01:05:44,941
You said, “Someone said
that I'm boring." You screamed.
1294
01:05:45,024 --> 01:05:47,777
I said, “Watch how you behave.
You're annoying."
1295
01:05:47,860 --> 01:05:50,321
Instead of recognizing
that you were annoying,
1296
01:05:50,404 --> 01:05:53,824
you knelt down and said:
"KB, I love you so much."
1297
01:05:53,908 --> 01:05:56,911
- "I need you." I said, "Stand up."
- When was it? Where?
1298
01:05:56,994 --> 01:06:01,248
In Denver, get ready to take out
packing for our apartment.
1299
01:06:01,332 --> 01:06:03,668
That was before you hid in the closet.
1300
01:06:03,751 --> 01:06:06,462
- I had that irritated look.
- I remember it.
1301
01:06:06,545 --> 01:06:09,715
I respect what you say, but I didn't kneel…
1302
01:06:10,216 --> 01:06:12,134
I'm dramatic and you don't remember?
1303
01:06:12,218 --> 01:06:13,344
I'm just trying to…
1304
01:06:13,427 --> 01:06:16,722
But I don't know, I'm trying too
tell my truth
1305
01:06:16,806 --> 01:06:19,183
but nothing I did was a repeat offense.
1306
01:06:19,266 --> 01:06:22,603
Honey, you ignored me for three weeks
1307
01:06:22,687 --> 01:06:25,189
and that's why I blew up the mountains.
1308
01:06:25,272 --> 01:06:28,651
You ignored me in the car and said
the other woman to talk over me.
1309
01:06:28,734 --> 01:06:30,069
i...
1310
01:06:30,152 --> 01:06:31,445
I didn't!
1311
01:06:31,529 --> 01:06:33,948
- Heaven! Weren't we in the same car?
- No!
1312
01:06:34,031 --> 01:06:36,617
But in your apology,
you came back with flowers,
1313
01:06:36,701 --> 01:06:38,786
You said it yourself, “I'm sorry I ignored you
1314
01:06:38,869 --> 01:06:40,997
and tell someone else
to talk about."
1315
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:43,874
Where in this story,
Am I making this up?
1316
01:06:44,792 --> 01:06:47,294
- I don't remember.
- He is fine. I respect that.
1317
01:06:47,378 --> 01:06:49,005
I try to be honest.
1318
01:06:49,088 --> 01:06:51,841
And I think that is reasonable.
It was a long time ago.
1319
01:06:51,924 --> 01:06:54,719
Then we had our trips
of healing, some memories…
1320
01:06:54,802 --> 01:06:57,013
See what happened on camera...
1321
01:06:57,096 --> 01:07:00,474
I remember seeing the cameras.
I cried watching the cameras.
1322
01:07:00,558 --> 01:07:01,600
I really have…
1323
01:07:01,684 --> 01:07:04,645
At the end, before the program runs,
I didn't remember...
1324
01:07:04,729 --> 01:07:07,356
Like: "Damn".
I only remember the bad moments.
1325
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:10,901
But when I see the cameras: "Damn,
I really fell in love with this man."
1326
01:07:10,985 --> 01:07:13,738
But as the story continued,
i found...
1327
01:07:13,821 --> 01:07:17,575
I remembered more than I wanted to, honestly.
1328
01:07:18,159 --> 01:07:21,495
I understand that, but...
1329
01:07:21,579 --> 01:07:25,124
...with all this experience, KB...
1330
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:29,670
- I was so focused on you.
- He is fine.
1331
01:07:29,754 --> 01:07:32,298
And it's hard to love someone,
1332
01:07:32,381 --> 01:07:36,052
give my best to someone and…
1333
01:07:36,927 --> 01:07:38,179
And...
1334
01:07:38,262 --> 01:07:42,183
And to be seen as manipulative and dismissive.
1335
01:07:42,266 --> 01:07:45,061
I also noticed the difficult moments.
1336
01:07:45,811 --> 01:07:47,980
There were many good moments
1337
01:07:48,064 --> 01:07:50,566
and I have done many good things for you, KB,
1338
01:07:50,649 --> 01:07:52,985
but i never hear the good things.
1339
01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:57,531
You know, it seems like you had it
a difficult life.
1340
01:07:57,615 --> 01:08:00,534
They talked about it on the show
and on cameras.
1341
01:08:00,618 --> 01:08:03,329
And Edmond, I think you are an eternal optimist,
1342
01:08:03,412 --> 01:08:05,081
which is a beautiful thing.
1343
01:08:05,164 --> 01:08:09,585
Sometimes you block too many conflicts,
discussions and you…
1344
01:08:09,668 --> 01:08:13,130
I realize this on a personal level.
1345
01:08:13,214 --> 01:08:17,134
Don't you remember
because it is their way of survival.
1346
01:08:17,218 --> 01:08:19,428
But as said,
1347
01:08:20,846 --> 01:08:23,974
she tries to say something
which hurt her a lot.
1348
01:08:24,058 --> 01:08:25,684
It's a different pain.
1349
01:08:25,768 --> 01:08:28,687
And I believe you
can agree to disagree,
1350
01:08:28,771 --> 01:08:33,359
but I want to give you both
an opportunity to end in peace.
1351
01:08:33,442 --> 01:08:36,362
Say what you want,
since you talked about perception
1352
01:08:36,445 --> 01:08:39,365
and that it wasn't you at all,
You were not the person you saw.
1353
01:08:39,448 --> 01:08:40,533
And you too.
1354
01:08:40,616 --> 01:08:44,078
If you want to say something to KB,
in a positive way,
1355
01:08:44,161 --> 01:08:47,790
and maybe how you felt on the last day
if they haven't talked about it yet.
1356
01:08:47,873 --> 01:08:49,208
- Shall I say first?
- Of course.
1357
01:08:49,291 --> 01:08:51,961
In my apology,
or with my last words,
1358
01:08:52,545 --> 01:08:56,048
I really feel it was with you
1359
01:08:56,132 --> 01:08:58,008
that I should have gone through with this
1360
01:08:58,092 --> 01:09:00,302
and I think you taught me patience.
1361
01:09:00,386 --> 01:09:02,930
I had a conversation with you
outside the program:
1362
01:09:03,013 --> 01:09:05,015
"What can I do better?"
1363
01:09:05,099 --> 01:09:06,934
You said, "You could be nicer."
1364
01:09:07,017 --> 01:09:09,562
I tried to work on it.
I called my mother and said:
1365
01:09:09,645 --> 01:09:11,021
"You should be nicer."
1366
01:09:11,105 --> 01:09:15,109
She said, "You are kind in your way,
but understand what goodness is to him."
1367
01:09:15,192 --> 01:09:17,486
- I thought: "Yeah, cool."
- Very good, mother.
1368
01:09:17,570 --> 01:09:19,446
I said, "Very good, cool."
1369
01:09:19,530 --> 01:09:23,826
I tried to learn to love you
how you needed to be loved.
1370
01:09:23,909 --> 01:09:28,080
People may not understand
because I insisted, but I loved you sincerely.
1371
01:09:28,164 --> 01:09:29,999
We live an experimental marriage.
1372
01:09:30,082 --> 01:09:32,209
We can't wake up and say…
1373
01:09:32,293 --> 01:09:33,669
It may happen,
1374
01:09:33,752 --> 01:09:36,255
But I didn't feel like we could wake up
and say:
1375
01:09:36,338 --> 01:09:38,716
“Yesterday you pissed me off.
I'm leaving you."
1376
01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:40,301
No, it's not like that.
1377
01:09:40,384 --> 01:09:43,679
“I will choose you regardless
that you annoyed me last night.
1378
01:09:43,762 --> 01:09:45,639
I may have annoyed you the day before.
1379
01:09:45,723 --> 01:09:48,726
Let's wake up, choose each other
and get through it together."
1380
01:09:48,809 --> 01:09:51,729
And I am so glad to have
I did this experience with you.
1381
01:09:51,812 --> 01:09:54,231
And you didn't deserve to be teased.
1382
01:09:54,315 --> 01:09:56,108
You didn't deserve to be called names.
1383
01:09:56,192 --> 01:09:59,195
You didn't deserve this and I'm so sorry.
1384
01:09:59,278 --> 01:10:02,198
I regret it a year and a half later,
When I saw it, it made me sick.
1385
01:10:02,281 --> 01:10:06,118
I'm so sorry, because it doesn't matter
how someone makes you feel,
1386
01:10:06,202 --> 01:10:07,745
as long as they speak with love.
1387
01:10:07,828 --> 01:10:10,247
I didn't talk to you with love,
in these moments.
1388
01:10:10,331 --> 01:10:12,625
And it's not fair to you.
1389
01:10:12,708 --> 01:10:16,337
Please never accept that kind of love
however much you want that love.
1390
01:10:16,420 --> 01:10:18,756
Don't accept it. Love is not like that.
1391
01:10:18,839 --> 01:10:20,966
I don't want anyone talking to me like that.
1392
01:10:21,050 --> 01:10:22,968
- You shouldn't accept that.
- Yes.
1393
01:10:23,761 --> 01:10:26,013
- You didn't need any paper for that.
- No.
1394
01:10:26,096 --> 01:10:28,682
- It was from the heart.
- It was from the heart.
1395
01:10:28,766 --> 01:10:30,267
Edmond, what do you mean?
1396
01:10:30,351 --> 01:10:33,854
I think the most important thing about KB is…
1397
01:10:33,938 --> 01:10:38,484
I learned this from this experience,
but I was on the right track.
1398
01:10:38,567 --> 01:10:42,029
"It's okay. Come on. I still love you."
1399
01:10:42,112 --> 01:10:45,532
whatever you said
I was going to stay focused.
1400
01:10:46,033 --> 01:10:49,495
I had to do something worthwhile
for me to stop loving you.
1401
01:10:49,578 --> 01:10:51,622
And you are amazing.
1402
01:10:51,705 --> 01:10:55,167
I would never have had a woman like you
if it weren't for this experience.
1403
01:10:56,710 --> 01:10:57,836
Seriously.
1404
01:10:57,920 --> 01:10:59,630
- Can you give me a hug?
- Yes!
1405
01:11:11,433 --> 01:11:14,353
Thank you so much for coming,
to be open and vulnerable.
1406
01:11:14,436 --> 01:11:16,814
And I hope you feel
that cleared the air,
1407
01:11:16,897 --> 01:11:18,357
who could say what they wanted.
1408
01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:21,318
Me, Nick and everyone
we are grateful for all of you.
1409
01:11:22,486 --> 01:11:25,322
We usually stop
the reunion with a toast,
1410
01:11:25,406 --> 01:11:29,702
but tonight we thought we hit
of chicken for everyone was more appropriate.
1411
01:11:29,785 --> 01:11:32,955
- Who invited that guy?
- Anyone want a chicken shake?
1412
01:11:33,038 --> 01:11:36,125
But speaking of Jordan, I'll save you.
1413
01:11:36,208 --> 01:11:39,670
Let's not make chicken shakes,
But it's his birthday.
1414
01:11:39,753 --> 01:11:41,088
Yes!
1415
01:11:44,717 --> 01:11:45,676
It's Blake!
1416
01:11:47,261 --> 01:11:49,263
- Hello! We have ice cream!
- I don't think so!
1417
01:11:50,055 --> 01:11:52,766
I don't think so!
1418
01:11:52,850 --> 01:11:56,186
I don't think so! Did you know that? I don't think so!
1419
01:11:56,770 --> 01:12:00,441
Please help us wish Jordan
happy birthday. All together.
1420
01:12:00,524 --> 01:12:04,320
Congratulations to you
1421
01:12:04,403 --> 01:12:08,449
On this beloved date
1422
01:12:09,283 --> 01:12:14,246
Best regards
1423
01:12:14,330 --> 01:12:19,001
Many years of life
1424
01:12:19,084 --> 01:12:21,378
Thank you! Protein ice cream for everyone!
1425
01:12:24,214 --> 01:12:26,842
Guys, here's to celebrating
all who came.
1426
01:12:26,925 --> 01:12:28,886
Home, thank you for being with us.
1427
01:12:28,969 --> 01:12:31,347
And, as always, thank you
to celebrate love.
1428
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:33,557
- Good night!
- Good evening everyone!
1429
01:12:48,072 --> 01:12:49,531
THE REUNION
1430
01:12:50,366 --> 01:12:51,492
Thank you.
1431
01:13:46,588 --> 01:13:48,507
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